jason1637 said:
Mnementh said:
Nobody actually cares about candidates. We all care about politics. Post negative about negative politics? Hell yes. If a politician feels more inclined to address with his politics the problems of his corporate clients than the problems of the voters, then it is fair and square to criticize that. Because we want better policies.
This talk you do, only helps politicians implement hateful and hurtful policies for common people, because it denies them their right to have their own opinion on political matters.
To be quite clear here: current policies are killing people. Policies from politicians of the democratic party are killing people. And I don't exxagerate with killing, look at statistics of life expectancy in the US compared to other OECD-countries. The US falls back more every year. So yeah, democratic politicians are killing people. Especially poor people, working calls people, minority people. And you say: but the Republicans are worse. Sure, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't attack shitty policies.
What you're saying here is basically: Let's get eaten by the small shark. Everyone who fights the small shark only gets the big shark instead!
What progressives want is fleeing all sharks, democratic and republican sharks alike. I don't like it that this stance is again and again misrepresented, smeared and vilified.
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If Biden becomes the nominee leftist can continue to bash him eif they want but they should understand that this bashing is helping Trump. I'm not saying you gotta back the guy fully because you might not agree with him on everything but if you're concerned about beating Trump but share negative comments and videos about the guy trying to beat Trurmp you're part of the reason he could
Mnementh said:
The difference is: Bernie fans are posting stuff about Biden. The negativity towards Sanders instead comes from media and politicians. I mean, scroll a bit back and you have an example from MSNBC:
And you have this all the time. Additionally remarks from politicians, quoted by name or kept anonymous smearing Sanders. The ant-Sanders hateboys aren't using facebook and Twitter, they are using MSNBC and CNN.
So it is the purest hypocriy to BLAME Bernie-fans for bad votes, if the whole party elites all the time try to destroy party unity.
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I'm not really arguing about the medias bias towards Sanders. I agree that the media has treated Sanders very poorly.
It's not fair how Sander is being treated but once the primary ended in 2016 Bernie Bros still went after Clinton on twitter and im seeing signs of that happening again.
tsogud said:
If you're an American centrist you're literally a right winger (center-right at best) by all metrics because our overton window is so skewed to the right now it's ridiculous.
All leftists want is to save the planet, guarantee healthcare as a human right (like every other sane moral country), and give disenfranchised people a voice. But nah that's too scary for American centrists they love the elites and corporations so much so they want them determining laws and policies to enrich themselves and leave the poor to die. But hey! At least you voted for someone who isn't Trump so now you can feel better about yourself and can go back to being apathetic about people suffering under our current socioeconomical system!!!
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I want to save the planet but it should be done in a way that can mitigate the damage that would be caused from people losing jobs. Biden has policies for this. The EPA and the paris agreement all helped to solve this problem.
Biden has a plan that can give healthcare to those that can't afford it and to those that want to leave their providers.
The Black community who are arguably the most disenfranchised minority group want Biden to be their voice and it was shown in last nights results.
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Bernie's climate plan directly addresses that issue as well and goes a step further in having a federal jobs guarantee and training for the transition off of fossil fuels.
Yes Biden's healthcare plan tries to make healthcare affordable but that's the entire problem. Healthcare should be guaranteed for all not affordable for some. That article I linked a few posts back explains the inherent problems with Biden's proposal.
The black community are split generationally with young black voters overwhelmingly supporting Bernie and older black voters overwhelmingly supporting Joe. Older black voters and older voters in general vote in larger numbers than younger voters for various socioeconomical reasons; for example there are more younger people in the workforce that have two/three jobs, younger people have the kinds of jobs that don't readily allow them to take a day or hour off to vote, etc.
Bernie's plans will lift some of the burden being felt by the younger generation specifically younger poc and that will, hopefully in turn, allow them to have the agency they need to vote and let their voice be heard.
The time for incrementalism is over, we had our chance to go as slow as we wanted to regarding climate change but our govt was too busy being bought out by special interests to care. Now we have no choice but to change drastically our way of life and thinking to even hope to save our planet from irreparable damage.
A Joe Biden presidency with his current platform would've been great progress in the 80's but it doesn't cut it now.
Last edited by tsogud - on 04 March 2020