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Official 2020 US Election: Democratic Party Discussion

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tsogud said:

#NeverBloomberg has been trending and rightfully so. It seems something that unites progressives and moderates is their disdain for Bloomberg and his past. I don't want a racist, sexist plutocrat to be the Democratic nominee. Also, he will absolutely get demolished by 45 who would posture to the left of him in many instances like he did with Hillary. 

Democratic elites literally do not care about ordinary people, don't be fooled into thinking they're on the "good" side just because they're Democrats.

I don't know about ALL democratic elites, there are a lot of them. And with progressive winning some elections the ranks are broken. But sure, some care more about the needs of their wealthy donors than the needs of the ordinary people. And yeah, Bloomberg is outright bad. He is a rich guy who chooses the party as he sees fit for his own benefit. And nothing else.

What really puts me off about the financial data I gathered about the campaigns, that the two billionaires just can crush any fundraising a classic campaign does. This is oligarchy, it is like Ukraine, where a rich guy (like Poroschenko) wins presidency. That is not a healthy democracy. Tom Steyer at least has good intentions, but still I object against a rich guy buying his way into an election. But Bloomberg is outright evil, he is in politics to benefit exactly one person: himself. That must be stopped.



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Bloomberg: As mayor, he spoke out against a bill for a $10 minimum wage for employees at any company they were receiving city funding. He said it's akin to a USSR style managed economy.

The bill passed the city but he vetoed it. The council overruled his veto anyway.

So he sued the city. But he failed again. Then as one of his final acts as mayor, sued again to kill it after it had taken effect.

This is not a Democrat.



Massimus - "Trump already has democrat support."

Pretty good poll for Sanders from Texas. Maybe his sincerity is helping him reach voters that perhaps aren't that warm to his left-wing politics but simply like him and believe he's the antidote to Trump.



 

 

 

 

 

haxxiy said:
Pretty good poll for Sanders from Texas. Maybe his sincerity is helping him reach voters that perhaps aren't that warm to his left-wing politics but simply like him and believe he's the antidote to Trump.

I have a co-worker that voted Trump and leans hard to the right.....
....but. He recognizes the failure of our healthcare system. We talked and he said if Sanders is the candidate, he will switch and vote for him.  And he'll do it for 2 reasons.

1. Trump's healthcare plans are too corporate friendly and don't help the people that need it.

2. Sanders, for all the flaws my co-worker feels in policy, recognizes him as absolutely honest and actually gives a damn about ordinary people. And that means something.

Naturally this is anecdotal but if it is representative of a greater trend (as some polls suggest), November will be exceptionally interesting.



Massimus - "Trump already has democrat support."

haxxiy said:
Pretty good poll for Sanders from Texas. Maybe his sincerity is helping him reach voters that perhaps aren't that warm to his left-wing politics but simply like him and believe he's the antidote to Trump.

He's also the most popular candidates amongst Hispanics and Latinos afaik, which certainly helps him in such a state.



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No idea how true this one is:

(If anyone wants to fact check it...) Wouldn't surprise me at this point.

The way this is going, Democrats have a candidate that might actually make me vote third party. Seems like the Democrat version of Trump, albeit smarter.

At least he's not doing that well.  



numberwang said:
SpokenTruth said:

After reading the article, it seems like a mix of information being left out (AOC only said 2-3 sentences to HuffPo?) and a misunderstanding of her intent.

If all we get is a complete public option, with that being the worst case scenario, then we can live with that to start with.

A public option will most likely be more expensive than private insurance, in particular if you have a middle class or higher income and you are below average age. Medicare government spending right now is ca. 1000$ per person monthly (older people, higher costs), not cheap either.

Source on that $1000 per month average cost? Isn't medicare not allowed to negotiate costs right now? Meaning they have to pay whatever the private healthcare companies force them to pay? 



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I feel like Twitter is over exaggerating everything again. Stop and Frisk was a bad policy but it wasnt really enforced that much and Bloombergs terms as Mayor wasnt terrible. Also theres always the chance that he no longer supports stoo and FrIsK since those clips are from years ago..



the-pi-guy said:

The way this is going, Democrats have a candidate that might actually make me vote third party. Seems like the Democrat version of Trump, albeit smarter.

Well, I said early on, that I am pretty happy with the democratic field, as everyone is clearly a better candidate than Hillary Clinton was. Bloomberg makes me reconsider that. Not only is he as bad, he is worse than Clinton, and if it comes down between him and Trump I am not sure.

That said, everyone else is a lot better, including Biden. I feel Biden would be a bad pick, as he wouldn't progress things, politics would be stagnant with him more or less. But surely Biden is a lot better than Clinton, Bloomberg and Trump.



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jason1637 said:
I feel like Twitter is over exaggerating everything again. Stop and Frisk was a bad policy but it wasnt really enforced that much and Bloombergs terms as Mayor wasnt terrible. Also theres always the chance that he no longer supports stoo and FrIsK since those clips are from years ago..

I personally have quite a bit of issues with Bloomberg and I think he would lose a general election (nevermind the fact he won't win the primary), but the comments saying he's worse than Trump are completely delusional.