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SpokenTruth said:
Moren said:
https://twitter.com/ajjaffe/status/1228072536849764352?s=19

Remember when Warren tried to be realistic and it cost her there race?

Doesn't sound like AOC is being realistic but simply saying that's the worst case scenario.

“A president can’t wave a magic wand and pass any legislation they want,”

Granted, there's not enough context here but HuffPost is not exactly a right-wing or center publication.



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Moren said:
SpokenTruth said:

Doesn't sound like AOC is being realistic but simply saying that's the worst case scenario.

“A president can’t wave a magic wand and pass any legislation they want,”

Granted, there's not enough context here but HuffPost is not exactly a right-wing or center publication.

After reading the article, it seems like a mix of information being left out (AOC only said 2-3 sentences to HuffPo?) and a misunderstanding of her intent.

If all we get is a complete public option, with that being the worst case scenario, then we can live with that to start with.



Massimus - "Trump already has democrat support."

SpokenTruth said:
Moren said:

“A president can’t wave a magic wand and pass any legislation they want,”

Granted, there's not enough context here but HuffPost is not exactly a right-wing or center publication.

After reading the article, it seems like a mix of information being left out (AOC only said 2-3 sentences to HuffPo?) and a misunderstanding of her intent.

If all we get is a complete public option, with that being the worst case scenario, then we can live with that to start with.

But if you start with that demand at the beginning, it's not what you will get in the end.



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Mnementh said:
SpokenTruth said:

After reading the article, it seems like a mix of information being left out (AOC only said 2-3 sentences to HuffPo?) and a misunderstanding of her intent.

If all we get is a complete public option, with that being the worst case scenario, then we can live with that to start with.

But if you start with that demand at the beginning, it's not what you will get in the end.

Which is why the demand was and still is M4A.



Massimus - "Trump already has democrat support."

SpokenTruth said:

After reading the article, it seems like a mix of information being left out (AOC only said 2-3 sentences to HuffPo?) and a misunderstanding of her intent.

If all we get is a complete public option, with that being the worst case scenario, then we can live with that to start with.

A public option will most likely be more expensive than private insurance, in particular if you have a middle class or higher income and you are below average age. Medicare government spending right now is ca. 1000$ per person monthly (older people, higher costs), not cheap either.

Overall the Dem field is very weak right now. Trump has wracked Ukraine-Biden and Poci-Warren so that the unburdened Buttigieg could fill the void. I believe he is still around two percent among black Dems and is not a viable candidate.

Sanders got clobbered and humiliated by HER last time. Maybe he will fight this time. Warren endorsed HER last time and will endorse Sanders' main opponent again.

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numberwang said:
SpokenTruth said:

After reading the article, it seems like a mix of information being left out (AOC only said 2-3 sentences to HuffPo?) and a misunderstanding of her intent.

If all we get is a complete public option, with that being the worst case scenario, then we can live with that to start with.

A public option will most likely be more expensive than private insurance, in particular if you have a middle class or higher income and you are below average age. Medicare government spending right now is ca. 1000$ per person monthly (older people, higher costs), not cheap either.

Overall the Dem field is very weak right now. Trump has wracked Ukraine-Biden and Poci-Warren so that the unburdened Buttigieg could fill the void. I believe he is still around two percent among black Dems and is not a viable candidate.

Sanders got clobbered and humiliated by HER last time. Maybe he will fight this time. Warren endorsed HER last time and will endorse Sanders' main opponent again.

I don't know. Warren endorsed the winner, after the winner was decided. And I think it is quite telling, that Warren and Sanders are light on the attacks on each other. Instead the modereates started to fight each other. Too many in this lane, so they fight over who is the king there.



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#NeverBloomberg has been trending and rightfully so. It seems something that unites progressives and moderates is their disdain for Bloomberg and his past. I don't want a racist, sexist plutocrat to be the Democratic nominee. Also, he will absolutely get demolished by 45 who would posture to the left of him in many instances like he did with Hillary. 

Democratic elites literally do not care about ordinary people, don't be fooled into thinking they're on the "good" side just because they're Democrats.

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Bernie leading in Texas now by 2 points.

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/02/14/bernie-sanders-leading-texas-ahead-super-tuesday-uttt-poll-says/




DarthJarvis said:
PS - as of 87% reporting, there have been 25k more votes than in 2016.

Bernie has half the votes from 4 years ago.

It's clear that he doesnt have the same support... he should have done better. That's just a fact. More voters by 50-70k should translate to less of a decline.

You are literally spinning right now and so fast I can't see you. Bernie only had Hillary to defeat last time and this time there were 9 other candidates. If he won that heavily against all these candidates, the race would literally be over. You can't expect that you get the same amount of votes when it's 1v1 and when it's 1v9. The fact of the matter is that Bernie has the most diverse coalition this time around and these 2 states were his weakness, yet he got the most votes in both. Bernie is the guy to beat right now.



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It's funny that the Bernie plummeting to first place narrative is persisting here. He literally won. And he has no real competition in Nevada and his competition in South Carolina are guys who got 0 delegates in new Hampshire. If Biden is 4th or 4th in Nevada, South Carolina might become too hard for him to win. And then, the only real competition Bernie has is mike bloomberg. Pete and Klaubaucher don't have the coalition to do well in diverse states and warren is basically done. So an oligarch who is trying to buy the elections vs the one who has the most volunteers and donors and donations.

To try to spin it as a negative for Bernie is beyond stupid. I just wish we had polls from Nevada.



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