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Jaicee said:

Here's what I want to see out of the New Hampshire primary tonight:

1) The results. Tonight, like normal. No three-day delays.

2) Substantially higher turnout than in 2016. Just for my own peace of mind, I want to have some reassurance that there is a Democratic candidate who can actually motivate people to show up to the polls at higher rates than the one who (...technically anyway) lost to Trump four years ago and the Iowa turnout level didn't do that for me. This specifically means: I would like to see substantially more than 253,000 people vote this time around.

3) A Bernie Sanders win, which I think we will, in fact, get. And proportional representation for that win in the delegate allocations!

How big was the 2016 Turnout in NH?

Edit: And for those who are looking for a live tracker:

https://www.politico.com/2020-election/results/new-hampshire/

https://apps.npr.org/liveblogs/20200211-new-hampshire/?t=1581421069028

First 3 towns are trough, with Klobuchar surprisingly leading there by a commanding lead. But the rest of the state will certainly change that result a lot.

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Bofferbrauer2 said:
Jaicee said:

Here's what I want to see out of the New Hampshire primary tonight:

1) The results. Tonight, like normal. No three-day delays.

2) Substantially higher turnout than in 2016. Just for my own peace of mind, I want to have some reassurance that there is a Democratic candidate who can actually motivate people to show up to the polls at higher rates than the one who (...technically anyway) lost to Trump four years ago and the Iowa turnout level didn't do that for me. This specifically means: I would like to see substantially more than 253,000 people vote this time around.

3) A Bernie Sanders win, which I think we will, in fact, get. And proportional representation for that win in the delegate allocations!

How big was the 2016 Turnout in NH?

Edit: And for those who are looking for a live tracker: https://www.politico.com/2020-election/results/new-hampshire/

First 3 towns are trough, with Klobuchar surprisingly leading there by a commanding lead. But the rest of the state will certainly change that result a lot.

253,062

EDIT: Wait, the three precinct reporting so far have together 27 voters? Seem to be big precincts.

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Personally, as systems of candidate nomination, I have always liked the idea of primaries better than that of caucuses. I mean I get the "homey, town hall" feel of caucuses that activists like a lot, but the fact is that caucuses are long and complicated processes that, furthermore, often don't even afford one a secret ballot, but instead have people vote by peer pressure. Such processes are designed to favor the most dedicated people and those who have the most leisure time to spare. That ain't working class people! Turnout levels for caucuses, accordingly, are much lower than those for actual primaries. For example, the Iowa Caucus regularly generates a turnout rate of less than 20% of eligible voters, as compared with more than 50% for the New Hampshire primary. To this end, I'm glad that only 7 states will be using a caucus system this time around, compared to 14 four years ago. I hope we get to a point where caucuses are replaced by primaries across the board, including in Iowa, and preferably by open primaries (like New Hampshires) rather than closed ones that only registered Democrats can vote in (like New York's) because that maximizes turnout by including independents.

I get the aesthetics of conversation and participatory democracy that activists love, but ordinary working people need a convenient process, and one that's preferably devoid of public shaming. Just simple, straightforward voting, by secret ballot, is what works best for working class people. You do want ordinary working people involved in the political process, right?

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Bofferbrauer2 said:

How big was the 2016 Turnout in NH?

253,000, as I hinted at. The range we're looking at here is between that and the sky-high 2008 turnout of 287,500. I will be more at peace if the turnout level tonight is closer to the second number than to the first.



Mnementh said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

How big was the 2016 Turnout in NH?

Edit: And for those who are looking for a live tracker: https://www.politico.com/2020-election/results/new-hampshire/

First 3 towns are trough, with Klobuchar surprisingly leading there by a commanding lead. But the rest of the state will certainly change that result a lot.

253,062

EDIT: Wait, the three precinct reporting so far have together 27 voters? Seem to be big precincts.

Yeah, they're so huge, Klobuchar now has the primary and the general election in the bag already

Jaicee said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

How big was the 2016 Turnout in NH?

253,000, as I hinted at. The range we're looking at here is between that and the sky-high 2008 turnout of 287,500. I will be more at peace if the turnout level tonight is closer to the second number than to the first.

253k can be anything if there's no clue as how many could go vote. So I have no idea what would be a good turnout and if the 253k of 2016 were good, middling or what.



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Bofferbrauer2 said:
Jaicee said:

253,000, as I hinted at. The range we're looking at here is between that and the sky-high 2008 turnout of 287,500. I will be more at peace if the turnout level tonight is closer to the second number than to the first.

253k can be anything if there's no clue as how many could go vote. So I have no idea what would be a good turnout and if the 253k of 2016 were good, middling or what.

2016: 253,062 

2008: 287,527

2004: > 218K

2000: 154,639



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Mnementh said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

253k can be anything if there's no clue as how many could go vote. So I have no idea what would be a good turnout and if the 253k of 2016 were good, middling or what.

2016: 253,062 

2008: 287,527

2004: > 218K

2000: 154,639

Thanks, that gives much more perspective about it.

So, similar result to 2008 would be good or has the population changed too much to still consider that number as good?



Bofferbrauer2 said:
Mnementh said:

2016: 253,062 

2008: 287,527

2004: > 218K

2000: 154,639

Thanks, that gives much more perspective about it.

So, similar result to 2008 would be good or has the population changed too much to still consider that number as good?

Population NH:

1990: 1,109,252

2000: 1,235,786

2010: 1,316,470

2018: 1,356,458



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Jaicee said:

Here's what I want to see out of the New Hampshire primary tonight:

1) The results. Tonight, like normal. No three-day delays.

2) Substantially higher turnout than in 2016. Just for my own peace of mind, I want to have some reassurance that there is a Democratic candidate who can actually motivate people to show up to the polls at higher rates than the one who (...technically anyway) lost to Trump four years ago and the Iowa turnout level didn't do that for me. This specifically means: I would like to see substantially more than 253,000 people vote this time around.

3) A Bernie Sanders win, which I think we will, in fact, get. And proportional representation for that win in the delegate allocations

I stand behind all those points but only with number 3 I have my doubts and remain skeptical. Theres no telling what can happen these days.