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Haven't been keeping up with the primaries this past week but from what I've seen on twitter Sanders and Warren now have beef. Bidens probably celebrating.



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The whole thing is bizarre.  

Part of me wonders if it's just a legitimate misunderstanding where Sanders just said something that Warren misinterpreted.  They both believe they are telling the truth on the matter.  

Part of me feels like Warren's taking advantage of the claim.  Knowing full well that's not what he meant, but riding the criticism.

It's just bizarre how Warren's statement still sounded so casual about it.  

And it's bizarre to me that after saying that they'd be friendly, and after being relatively friendly, that she just seems content with throwing him under the bus.

Some people think that she was upset by his comments on the debate stage, but to me it looks like she looks down and smirks.



SpokenTruth said:
Moren said:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/14/sanders-admits-anti-warren-script-early-states-098786


Sanders camp admits anti-Warren script was deployed in multiple early states.

I am not the least bit surprised. Bernie might have a good heart but he's surrounded by the very worst in politics.

I hope his campaign leaders have learned not to do that again. That caused a lot of division between Warren's and Sander's supporters, lot's of miscommunication within his volunteer groups and negative media coverage right before a debate and during a time of increased poll numbers.

I experience this firsthand in Arizona in 2016. I was volunteering for Bernie's campaign. About two weeks later Hillary had won enough primaries to win the nomination, and there weren't enough for Bernie to pick up to win. I told the people running his campaign office this. They responded that the superdelegates could switch dies and give Bernie the nomination despite the fact that he was going to lose the popular vote in the caucuses. That's when I walked out the door and decided never to do volunteer work for them again. 



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I would prefer to vote for Pete for a couple reasons.

First off, medicare for all is a very unpopular plan. More importantly, Medicare for all would pretty much put all private insurance out of business. (Or at the very least it would cut into their profits massively.) For this reason the insurance companies are ready to fight medicare for all with every ounce of dirty money they can muster. Their livelihoods are on the line. A public option is a much better plan since it doesn't effectively end all private insurance. It's also a more popular plan. Popular = people will vote for it. 


Second, the push to decriminalize border crossings is a disaster waiting to happen. Decriminalizing border crossings will take away the country's power to arrest people for illegally crossing the border. This would more or less make our country a country with a completely open borders policy. I'm all for letting a half a million or more refugees into the country a year. But a completely open borders policy would swamp us with millions upon millions of new immigrants per year. Our housing market, job market, public education, social services, etc. just can't handle an influx of that size. 

Pete is one of the only candidates not campaigning to decriminalize border crossings. 

But sadly I don't think I can vote for Pete. He just doesn't have the charisma to win. Bernie has been a good honest man for his entire life, and he excites non-political people to vote for him. That's how Obama won the white house. That's what we need to beat Trump.



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DarthMetalliCube said:

Wow.. What a complete, utter clown show. CNN legit thinks their viewers are stupid. I'm not even the biggest Bernie guy but this makes my skin crawl. Shameful.

https://twitter.com/shoe0nhead/status/1217296994751995906?

Even the audience laughs at the blatant propaganda XD 

...All I can say is that I Hope Bernie remembers when it comes time to select his VP who threw him and his supporters under the bus (Warren) and who's stood by his side since 2016, even leaving her post as DNC Vice Chair to support him... Hint, she's in my sig ;)

But nah.. that's too good to be true and I'm not that lucky, and unfortunately with the constant barrage of smears there's probably an ingrained negative stigma attached to Tulsi at this point that Bernie - and I'd wager about 30% of his supporters - want no part of. In all actuality, Nina Turner will probably be his pick. Would have likely been AOC but she's still too young.

You bark at the wrong tree. CNN masterfully managed to make Warren and Sanders both look bad. Now Warren seems inhonest and Sanders sexist. This was CNN helping Biden and Buttigieg.



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Moren said:
Hey @LurkerJ - I'm just wondering:

What is it that appeals to you from Bernie the most?

I, for one, am interested in his bold immigration stances:
https://feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-immigration/

As well as his revolutionary criminal justice approach:
https://feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-criminal-justice-category/

Bernie opened my eyes to the real issues, just Yang is doing now with different issues. A Bernie/Yang ticket would make me wet my pants. Four years ago, Bernie single-handedly shifted the overton window. He's principled and it's proven by his record in the political space (no one could ever say the same about Hillary). Yang is doing the same now. 

As for his immigration stances, I think they're contradictory with his vision for the country. While I understand the humane aspect of DAPA/DACA and the DREAM act, they ultimately reward illegal behavior. Immigration to the USA, as of now, is largely taking place illegally. Someone has to pay the price for breaching the law, otherwise, it's just chaos. Not to mention, if you want the wages to go up, you need to tightly control the labor market and tightly control the borders, otherwise, inflation will just neutralize the wage increase. Bernie knows it's an issue:

.. yet the policies he supports only accentuates the problem in my opinion. Trump has had more sensible ideas to immigration than most democratic nominees, obviously the muslim ban was retarded, but generally speaking, you need to be tough when it comes to these issues. I remember Warren saying in one of the debates she wants to give a path to citizenship to students who overstayed their visas. Like wtf. The good noble students would go back to their countries and not break the law, the deviants are the ones who are more likely to break the law overstay, all what you're doing is turning away the good ones and rewarding bad behavior. 



Mnementh said:

You bark at the wrong tree. CNN masterfully managed to make Warren and Sanders both look bad. Now Warren seems inhonest and Sanders sexist. This was CNN helping Biden and Buttigieg.

Why again is it sexist to point out how the world works?

If you look at it in proper context, namely thinking about the question if a woman could win against Trump, then the only reasonable answer is that a woman won't win. Trump has won the election by fostering an us vs. them mentality (white people vs. people of color, poor vs. middle class/the rich, the non-politician vs. the establishment etc.), so why would any democrat want to add the variable men vs. women on top of that, if the goal is to beat the Donald?



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RolStoppable said:
Mnementh said:

You bark at the wrong tree. CNN masterfully managed to make Warren and Sanders both look bad. Now Warren seems inhonest and Sanders sexist. This was CNN helping Biden and Buttigieg.

Why again is it sexist to point out how the world works?

If you look at it in proper context, namely thinking about the question if a woman could win against Trump, then the only reasonable answer is that a woman won't win. Trump has won the election by fostering an us vs. them mentality (white people vs. people of color, poor vs. middle class/the rich, the non-politician vs. the establishment etc.), so why would any democrat want to add the variable men vs. women on top of that, if the goal is to beat the Donald?

I said 'look' and 'seem'. CNN made Sanders look sexist.



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Mnementh said:
RolStoppable said:

Why again is it sexist to point out how the world works?

If you look at it in proper context, namely thinking about the question if a woman could win against Trump, then the only reasonable answer is that a woman won't win. Trump has won the election by fostering an us vs. them mentality (white people vs. people of color, poor vs. middle class/the rich, the non-politician vs. the establishment etc.), so why would any democrat want to add the variable men vs. women on top of that, if the goal is to beat the Donald?

I said 'look' and 'seem'. CNN made Sanders look sexist.

Good, then we are in agreement that no female should run for president in the upcoming election.



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RolStoppable said:
Mnementh said:

I said 'look' and 'seem'. CNN made Sanders look sexist.

Good, then we are in agreement that no female should run for president in the upcoming election.

LOL, CNN should hire you.



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