jason1637 said:
tsogud said:
What are your objections to socialism? And why do you prefer capitalism? Also even though Bernie is a socialist his policies are effectively social democratic policies, anywhere else in the world he'd be center-left. Every other developed nation has what Bernie is fighting for, and they're happy with it.
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Government should never be trusted to handle most industries. There should definitly be restriction in the private sector but it shouldnt be government ran because they can't be trusted. I don't trust the government so it I would make no sense for me to want them to run mor eindustries. Like I said capitalism isnt perfect but imo it's the best economic system we have so far an you can still have a capitalist economy but you can implement policies that amke the economy work for the people like Yang has been promising.
If Bernie becomes the leader of the party more mainstream dems will move left and he'll adopt more socialist parties and sooner than later the Democratic party will be full of socialist.
If Bernie becomes elected I honestly don't see a lot of his policies getting done. I think we'll have more frequent government shutdowns, a worse economy, an increase in illegal immigration since he wants to decriminalize border crossings. He seems like a nice genuine guy and it's terrible how the media has treated him but he's just too much of a socialist and i'd prefer everyone else running now over him (besides warren, she's a snake).
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Here's the thing. I actually see this from a few angles - and this is coming from more of a Libertarian type (leaning left but still) I do believe in the free market and Capitalism at its core. I believe in and support the notion of "voting with your wallet" and that competition is a healthy system that invokes progress in some ways and can offer benefits as it forces companies to constantly improve.
CRONY Capitalism is what I take issue with, and this is what inevitably happens when you don't have checks on these guys. I don't inherently trust government power either, but at least government tends to have the peoples' interests front and center, more so than corporations anyway, which are soulless entities full of unelected people, all or most of whom only bow to the almighty dollar, and often don't have to answer to anyone. That's a dangerous prospect for me. Obviously, too much government power can be dangerous too, but at least these guys have checks and balances, regulations, etc, to a far greater degree than corporations.
I mean hell, just look at a company like Google. They've evolved into essentially a mini-empire (and one among MANY mini corporate empires) which probably has AT LEAST as much power as our US government, if not a bit MORESO in certain ways.
As I think I've said, I prefer Tulsi and Yang over Bernie (though I've cooled on Yang somewhat after his sketchy plans on universal healthcare). But it's not like Bernie seeks to abolish capitalism or anything, he's merely trying to narrow the increasingly insane wealth gap, put some checks on the corporate system to make things more balanced, and help make things fairer for the working class amidst a rigged system. Make social programs more prominent and accessible to help provide a safety net for people, etc. At least that's the impression I get.
To me the key is balance. Too much government power unchecked is dangerous, but so is too much corporate power, maybe moreso, because there are SO many different entities that seemingly have fewer regulations and put profits over people.
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