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Harris dropping out is somewhat surprising, but I didn't think she'd last as long as some people did. There was no way she was making it to Super Tuesday. I thought she'd stick it out until California for ego's sake, then drop out when the results were bad for her even there. Seems she realized ahead of time that not even California would save her and decided to save herself the embarrassment.



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HylianSwordsman said:
Harris dropping out is somewhat surprising, but I didn't think she'd last as long as some people did. There was no way she was making it to Super Tuesday. I thought she'd stick it out until California for ego's sake, then drop out when the results were bad for her even there. Seems she realized ahead of time that not even California would save her and decided to save herself the embarrassment.

Considering her letting Pete off the hook at the last debate after that set up I wouldn't be surprised if they've got something going on. Not like it matters he also stands a 0% chance at the nomination.



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HylianSwordsman said:
Harris dropping out is somewhat surprising, but I didn't think she'd last as long as some people did. There was no way she was making it to Super Tuesday. I thought she'd stick it out until California for ego's sake, then drop out when the results were bad for her even there. Seems she realized ahead of time that not even California would save her and decided to save herself the embarrassment.

I think she could have made it to Super Tuesday given that she fully qualified for the Dec 19th debate and had decent funding.

But her campaign seems to have imploded in on itself by gutting staff in key states, nepotism (her campaign chair is her own sister), senior aides were departing, poor work environment, no real clear vision and a failure to capitalize on the June debate performance.  It was inevitable that she was going to bow out but she seemed to have the momentum to at least get to Feb.  Apparently not.  Too much internal chaos.



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Moren said:

Harris dropped out. This one was kind of a shocker.

Hhm. She was a good candidate, and a good person. It's a shame she couldn't live up to the expectations. I think she has a bright future ahead of her.

Edit. Also, Russia anti-Dem Gabbard outlasted her. Sickening.

lol

Aside from the lazy digs at her, I can't help but be elated by this comment.  Not only did she outlast her, you have to furrow your brow knowing Gabbard was the one that wrecked her and revealed Harris is absolutely not a good person from ~1 1/2 minutes of unfettered speaking time.    



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coolbeans said:
Moren said:

Harris dropped out. This one was kind of a shocker.

Hhm. She was a good candidate, and a good person. It's a shame she couldn't live up to the expectations. I think she has a bright future ahead of her.

Edit. Also, Russia anti-Dem Gabbard outlasted her. Sickening.

lol

Aside from the lazy digs at her, I can't help but be elated by this comment.  Not only did she outlast her, you have to furrow your brow knowing Gabbard was the one that wrecked her and revealed Harris is absolutely not a good person from ~1 1/2 minutes of unfettered speaking time.    

Meh. If you think Gabbard was the sole reason Harris's campaign failed, you're beyond help, and you should go back to her Twitter echo chamber.



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Buttigieg is playing the smart game in Iowa. To put it bluntly, no one gives a shit about these primaries except for internet nerds and pundits until the states actually start to vote. To come first in Iowa will certainly give whoever wins a major boost in the national stage.



 

 

 

 

 

SpokenTruth said:
Also, DarthMetalliCube is correct. The disdainful mocking and derisive insults toward our candidates should be left to others unbefitting of civil discourse. We are better than that.

I disagree. Traitor is a bit of an exaggeration, but there are fair criticisms to be made about Gabbard, and I think we should be allowed to make them colorfully. Are we not allowed to call Biden a corporate drone either? Because if it's okay to be cynical and dismissive of centrist candidates as corporate drones and other such "insults", then it should be okay to be cynical and dismissive of Gabbard as being to authoritarian friendly. Sanders gets "insulted" for being a socialist, or extreme, or whatever. I don't take issue with it. Where I start to get sick of the thread is when we get nasty towards each other, which Darth was being, honestly. Comparing us to Snoopy? Calling us trolls? Claiming every criticism about his favored candidate is us personally attacking him? Calling us "Trumpian"? Backseat modding? Calling us xenophobic bigoted idiots? Who exactly is the uncivil one here? All I see the people he accuses of being "trolls" doing is voicing a valid opinion about a candidate they don't like. I never called Moren or jason or cycycychris or haxxiy trolls just because they're not progressive, or say socialism is bad, or even when Moren said some mean stuff about Sanders because he called the recent events in Bolivia a coup. I didn't call them bigoted, or accuse them of being Russian bots like that one guy did, I just accepted their opinion, and their right to be snarky sometimes, or even offended at times by my favored candidate's positions. I don't appreciate the self-righteous accusation that we're all "uncivil" for making snarky comments about the candidates when we've had to endure personal insults hurled from various sides, disingenuous Trump fans trying to waste our time, and complete strangers randomly popping in to call us government bot accounts. And really, come on, derisive insults are "uncivil"? Then what are we doing to Trump? The Trump fans on this forum would absolutely love your little statement there. There's nothing wrong with adding a little snark to your criticism if the criticism is valid. 



Moren said:
coolbeans said:

lol

Aside from the lazy digs at her, I can't help but be elated by this comment.  Not only did she outlast her, you have to furrow your brow knowing Gabbard was the one that wrecked her and revealed Harris is absolutely not a good person from ~1 1/2 minutes of unfettered speaking time.    

Meh. If you think Gabbard was the sole reason Harris's campaign failed, you're beyond help, and you should go back to her Twitter echo chamber.

Except I never pinned what Gabbard did as the sole reason so...



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And I do wish to add - the only time I took issue with personal attacks against moderates is when I got called out for attacking Gabbard, so yeah.

Plus, (per the NYT), all this rhetoric about Gabbard is well within the mainstream.



haxxiy said:
Buttigieg is playing the smart game in Iowa. To put it bluntly, no one gives a shit about these primaries except for internet nerds and pundits until the states actually start to vote. To come first in Iowa will certainly give whoever wins a major boost in the national stage.

Certainly he can gain a good boost from Iowa. But he is also already getting a boost from the good polling in the early states. This gives him media attention which in trun converts voters.

And I want to point out one thing: Buttigieg is the mayor of a city with 100K people in Indiana. And he currently is among the TOP 4 in the democratic nomination and is considered having serious chances. He started out in the 1% club. He either has a pretty great campaign strateist in the team, or he is a pretty great campaign strategist.



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