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CuCabeludo said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

Well, quite a few candidates, like Gabbard, Warren and Sanders, want to reduce both the military expenses and the interventions, so at least that part could come to happen.

What do you mean with MMT? Modern Monetary Theory?

Yes, and there is nothing modern in it. Roman Empire applied it in order to pay for its huge expenses. But instead of turning on a printer press and print paper-fiat money in order to fund its deficts, they decreased the quantity of gold in its coins.

So Roman coins went from 95%+ gold to less than 5% gold prior to its colapse, hyperinflation took over the country, the result was its impending death.

If MMTers think USA is different from the Roman Empire, and just print dollars to pay all its liabilities instead of borrowing money from the market. Good look, dollar will be worhless in our lifetimes.

I know about the Roman empire, and you're right, it got itself killed due to hyperinflation

However, you fail to address the underlying reason: The whole roman economy was built on slave labor. And when they stopped conquering, they stopped getting the new slaves to run the economy. That's what killed the economy, which resulted in the hyperinflation - not an MMT style monetary expansion. That was just the result of the economy failing - similar to what happened to Germany after WW1, who got crippled economically by the Versailles treaty.



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Bofferbrauer2 said:
CuCabeludo said:

I know about the Roman empire, and you're right, it got itself killed due to hyperinflation

However, you fail to address the underlying reason: The whole roman economy was built on slave labor. And when they stopped conquering, they stopped getting the new slaves to run the economy. That's what killed the economy, which resulted in the hyperinflation - not an MMT style monetary expansion. That was just the result of the economy failing - similar to what happened to Germany after WW1, who got crippled economically by the Versailles treaty.

I don't think it has anything to do with slavery, which, on the contrary, would be a cause for potential social unrest if it were too large of a percentage of the popuation. It had been over 300 years without conquests when the Roman Empire fell, perhaps because they did not do something the Persians used to do: periodic raids in "barbarian" lands to keep them in check. Roman Emperor Majorian and later the Arabs, in the Iberian peninsula, showed just how frail the germanic kingdoms were against a minimally organized force. The Chinese comitted the same mistake, more than once, but Eastern Asia geographically favored the reassembly of a monolithic empire in a way Europe didn't.

OT - can we focus on the main six or so candidates already, and have the filler ones drop out? No one has ever surged from below 5% (and that's being generous, since it's more like 8-10%) in the primaries polls to win this late, 16 months before the election. At post you have types like Kasich and O'Malley who decide to stubbornly hang on far beyond any hope (though, to be fair, a lot of protest votes were dumped on Kasich).



 

 

 

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HVmvo0dbtw&t=81s



Yikes.




Good move by De Blasio.



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jason1637 said:

Yikes.

Yeah, I hope the debates put a stop to Bidens campaign. I am pretty much down with most candidates (don't know some of the candidates well enough to have a proper opinion though), but Biden is the only one in the pack I can't seriously stand. I think Trump is right then he says he would have it easy to beat Biden. Democrats already tried a conservative establishment candidate against Trump - see how well that went. If Biden wins the Dem nomination, then Trump gets four more years. The other candidates stand a far better chance.



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jason1637 said:

Yikes.

Is there video of Joe Biden saying these things?



KLAMarine said:
jason1637 said:

Yikes.

Is there video of Joe Biden saying these things?

I looked but could not find a video of him saying it. There is a video from NBC that has the exact quote of what he said.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifrnldPpEMc



jason1637 said:
KLAMarine said:

Is there video of Joe Biden saying these things?

I looked but could not find a video of him saying it. There is a video from NBC that has the exact quote of what he said.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifrnldPpEMc

How do we know that's an exact quote when we don't have video of said quote?



KLAMarine said:
jason1637 said:

I looked but could not find a video of him saying it. There is a video from NBC that has the exact quote of what he said.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifrnldPpEMc

How do we know that's an exact quote when we don't have video of said quote?

When asked by reporters he admits to saying it.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/joe-biden-cory-booker-segretationist-senators-apologizeHe admits saying it in the video attached to the article.