I'd like to note that there's another reason people join, and that's the economic reason. People join to pay for school, because they have no other prospects to make it in life otherwise. Also, for benefits, like the health benefits. Only Bernie and Warren have enough planned to make this reason for joining obsolete, and in the case of healthcare, probably only Bernie. I'd also argue that those that sign up for the military during a time of peace, perhaps just for a desire to keep the country's defenses strong, I'd consider them innocent if an unjust war pops up and they get deployed. As well as people who sign up for branches that are purely defensive and don't get deployed in unjust offensive wars.

Oh and good news for you, Harris dropped out, she's no longer running for president, so no worries there.

The economic reasons for signing up would still fall under not caring about the lives of others on this planet. They know there will be unjust wars, but care more about themselves and their lives than the lives of others.

GovTrack only tracks what bills they've sponsored or co-sponsored. It's not a complete record of their voting history. But you are right. She mostly votes with other democrats. I wouldn't consider somebody voting mostly with other democrats to free them from DINO status though. You can vote with fellow dems 90% of the time, but if you support something extreme that flies in the face of what the Democratic party stands for you can still be a DINO. 

Hillary's vote for the Iraq War marks her as a DINO. 

Tulsi's choice to volunteer for service in Iraq shows that she was in support of the Iraq War. Something no democrat should have ever been in support of. As far as I'm concerned that makes her a DINO. As for whether or not she's as guilty as someone who served in a combat role, I have no clue. That's too tough of a moral question for me to answer with any confidence. 

Yes it would make sense to have your politician father give you some of his contacts. But that's not the point. The point is that she never would have held office if not for her father's help. She got into office based on who she was related to and not based on merit. 

She was already serving her country as a politician. You can serve your country by volunteering to feed the poor, or building homes for the homeless. Military service is not the only way to serve your country. 

She wasn't risking her life. 2.77 million Americans have served in Iraq and Afghanistan so far. Only about 7,000 of them have died in those wars. That puts the average soldier's odds of dying on a tour of duty at 1 in 385 or a 0.0025% chance of being killed. Considering that she served as a woman during the Bush era, and that she was a VIP, she was never going to be put in harms way. So her odds of being killed would have been much, much, lower than the average soldier's. 

Wow, that's cold. My coworker was kicked out of her house by her mother. Struggling to make rent and in an abusive relationship, she would have almost certainly ended up homeless had she not signed up out of desperation. She was later discharged for medical reasons, because she had back issues and PTSD that she developed in the army, despite not having been deployed or seen combat. She was just abused by her squad that badly, and her leader was a white supremacist and she was black. Despite this, she's one of the sweetest, kindest, positive, most loving people I've ever met. Always putting others before herself, always going out of her way to try to make the lives of others better. But sure, I guess she's a heartless narcissist because she joined the army!/s Your rigid thinking makes you look like the heartless one. Not everyone that wanted free college is a heartless monster. Some just didn't think that far ahead, some had few other options. But you would have the most desperate of them just accept their fate or be labeled callous, selfish monsters.

This is another reason why I want Bernie. His plans would make going into the military unnecessary for many people. There's something immoral about a society that gets most of its soldiers by maintaining a status quo that makes it one of the only options for many young people. But you choose to borrow Republican logic, you blame the desperate poor person and call them selfish, instead of placing the blame where it belongs, on the system of unfettered capitalism that made them desperate and poor in the first place. This is how the rich and powerful maintain such a hold on things, by turning us against each other. Snap out of it dude.

You realize the reasons you listed for people  joining the army are the same reasons why people turn to organized crime, or start dealing drugs right? Should we start forgiving drug dealers and mobsters now too? Not every part of the US has a rent to pay ratio that leaves you living paycheck to paycheck. Most people living paycheck to paycheck in the US are doing so because they have several things that they *think* they need like a car, an $80 cell phone plan, and internet. Also, those people tend to be bad at picking out a place to rent for a reasonable rate. Either that or they had kids way too early in life, and are now suffering for it.

If I put a gun in your hand and offer you $5,000 to kill a complete stranger that I've tied up in front of you, and you do it, you are a shitty person. "Oh, but I'm struggling in life and could really use the money." is not an excuse. Same goes for joining the Army, and then killing foreigners at a time when the US is embroiled in immoral wars.

You realize the reasons you listed for people  joining the army are the same reasons why people turn to organized crime, or start dealing drugs right? Should we start forgiving drug dealers and mobsters now too? Not every part of the US has a rent to pay ratio that leaves you living paycheck to paycheck. Most people living paycheck to paycheck in the US are doing so because they have several things that they *think* they need like a car, an $80 cell phone plan, and internet. Also, those people tend to be bad at picking out a place to rent for a reasonable rate. Either that or they had kids way too early in life, and are now suffering for it.

If I put a gun in your hand and offer you $5,000 to kill a complete stranger that I've tied up in front of you, and you do it, you are a shitty person. "Oh, but I'm struggling in life and could really use the money." is not an excuse. Same goes for joining the Army, and then killing foreigners at a time when the US is embroiled in immoral wars.

Again, your rigid thinking shows you to be a callous person. You talk like a Republican. You think poor people are poor by choice? You think desperate people making desperate decisions are the problem when the whole system is what made them desperate? You are the immoral one, not them.

Again, your rigid thinking shows you to be a callous person. You talk like a Republican. You think poor people are poor by choice? You think desperate people making desperate decisions are the problem when the whole system is what made them desperate? You are the immoral one, not them.

It's not rigid thinking it's logic and discipline. The truth is unconcerned with whether or not you feel the logical conclusion is callous or not. Calling me callous instead of taking what I have to say into consideration is very close to the moralistic fallacy. It is possible to change my mind on what I've been quoted in above. You just have to make an argument rebutting me. Instead you are just contradicting my point.

Contradict = to oppose or deny the truth of something.

Refute = to disprove something by argument, evidence, or countervailing proof.

Which is to say, if you contradict someone's statement, you simply give an opposing point of view. If you refute someone's statement, you completely prove it false.