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OTBWY on 26 November 2019
Jaicee said:

SO...here are my candidate preferences in order as of this writing. Note that this list only includes candidates who made the last debate and new entries since then, NOT candidates who have been effectively eliminated:

TIER 1: THE ECONOMIC POPULISTS

1) Bernie Sanders
2) Elizabeth Warren

TIER 2: THE HUMAN BEINGS

3) Pete Buttigieg
4) Andrew Yang

TIER 3: THE SJWs

5) Kamala Harris
6) Cory Booker

TIER 4: THE CORPORATE DRONES

7) Deval Patrick
8) Joe Biden
9) Amy Klobuchar

-----------WILL NEVER VOTE FOR CANDIDATES BELOW THIS LINE EVEN IN PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION--------------

TIER 5: THE ACTUAL CORPORATIONS

10) Tom Steyer
11) Michael Bloomberg

HER OWN TIER: THE TRAITOR

12) Tulsi Gabbard

I'm surprised you didn't put Buttigieg in the SJW category, is it because of his demoting of the black police chief?

Also, wtf is Steyer still running. And Klobuchar should go away.



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Mnementh on 26 November 2019
ruior said:

So... to break the ice a bit....

I wonder if any of the posters on this conversation are russian fake personas... we all know how they operate on chats/foruns/etc and try to mold opinions online.

It would be a nice place to influence innocent minds.

Does that question cross your mind when debating American politics online?

Bye and have a good week! ;)

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Bofferbrauer2 on 26 November 2019
Jaicee said:

SO...here are my candidate preferences in order as of this writing. Note that this list only includes candidates who made the last debate and new entries since then, NOT candidates who have been effectively eliminated:

TIER 1: THE ECONOMIC POPULISTS

1) Bernie Sanders
2) Elizabeth Warren

TIER 2: THE HUMAN BEINGS

3) Pete Buttigieg
4) Andrew Yang

TIER 3: THE SJWs

5) Kamala Harris
6) Cory Booker

TIER 4: THE CORPORATE DRONES

7) Deval Patrick
8) Joe Biden
9) Amy Klobuchar

-----------WILL NEVER VOTE FOR CANDIDATES BELOW THIS LINE EVEN IN PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION--------------

TIER 5: THE ACTUAL CORPORATIONS

10) Tom Steyer
11) Michael Bloomberg

HER OWN TIER: THE TRAITOR

12) Tulsi Gabbard

Buttigieg deserves to be in Tier 4, because that's what he is. I'd put Booker in Tier 2 instead.

Steyer needs his own category, too. And that's because he could be considered a category traitor: He's betraying corporations. He's very long been supporting very progressive ideas, including medicare for all, ecology and renewable energy, affordable and extended education and open immigration. He was part of the Anti-Keystone XL Rally, is the founder of NextGen America (a climate advocacy group and supporter of progressive movement, of which he was CEO until he ran for president), tried to push Clinton into pushing renewable energy to reach 50% of the US energy production by 2030(since she lost, so we'll never know if she would have followed it), and donated millions to universities for the development of renewable energies. Oh, and he's in favor of increasing personal taxes for the rich. So pretty much everything the Koch brothers wouldn't support. I can fully understand when someone is wary of him, but credit where credit's due.



The Nintendo eShop rating Thread: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=237454 List as Google Doc:  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aW2hXQT1TheElVS7z-F3pP-7nbqdrDqWNTxl6JoJWBY/edit?usp=sharing

The Steam/GOG key gifting thread: https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread/242024/the-steamgog-key-gifting-thread/1/ 

Free Pc Games thread: https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread/248138/free-pc-games/1/

tsogud on 26 November 2019
Jaicee said:

Yar, I think it also helped that Sanders was able to clarify in this last debate that his transition plan, while not finely detailed yet, WILL be a one-stage, one-vote policy proposal. Warren's two-stage proposition conflicts with her whole brand of being the pragmatic progressive in this contest, as frankly most everyone knows that nine times out of ten, a sitting president's party loses seats in the Congress during the first midterm election of their tenure. Bernie's simpler approach to M4A is just making a lot more sense in comparison. I think that's a factor here too.

Also, told you the Warren fad was over. This downward trend is most likely only going to continue.

Yeah, I think if her proposal was just a one-step, one-vote situation like that of Bernie's she'd be in a better place.

Lol I guess I was a bit too optimistic of her but we'll see how things shake out in the coming months.



 

haxxiy on 26 November 2019

New Quinnipiac poll released today:

Biden 24%
Buttigieg 16%
Warren 14%
Sanders 13%
Harris 3%
Klobuchar 3%
Bloomberg 3%
Booker 2%
Castro 2%
Yang 2%
Bennet 2%
Gabbard 1%



 

 

 

 

 

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tsogud on 26 November 2019
uran10 said:

Its not that I don't like polls.... (I like numbers and such) I just know that its flawed and certain things aren't being taken into account and a good amount of the methodology sucks. I wont really put any stock into polls and we'll see how things really fall once votes come in.

In other news, Barrack "stop Sanders" Obama

I don't know why but I'm thinking Obama is gonna endorse Buttigieg, just a gut feeling.

To be fair though, he did say he'd get behind whoever the Democratic nominee is.



 

Bofferbrauer2 on 26 November 2019
tsogud said:

Good day ladies, gents and everyone in between and outside the gender binary! Another day, another poll! Sorry Uran I know how much you don't like polls :p

Morning Consult just released their new poll, interviewing 8,102 registered voters from Nov. 21st to the 24th, here's how it stacks up from their previous pre-debate polling:

1. Biden at 30% (-2% change from last poll)

2. Sanders at 21% (+1%)

3. Warren at 15% (-2%)

4. Buttigieg at 9% (+1%)

5. Harris at 5% (No change)

6. Yang at 4% (+1%)

Bloomberg/Gabbard/Klobuchar/Booker/Steyer at 2%

Now on to their early primary states poll. So among the registered voters in Iowa, NH, NV, and SC here's how the candidates fare:

1. Biden at 26% (-3% change from last poll)

2. Sanders at 23% (+5%)

3. Warren at 18% (+1%)

4. Steyer at 9% (+1%)

5. Buttigieg at 8% (-2%)

6. Yang at 4% (+2%)

Harris(-2%)/Bloomberg(-1%)/Klobuchar(no change) all at 2%

Here's the link.

An interesting thing to note is that although Warren still has very strong support as far as second choices go, Sanders is now giving her a lot more competition in that area. It seems Buttigieg supporters do not like Sanders at all and vice versa.

Adding to this Morning consult poll, I want to include this video. Not so much because of the Morning Consult result, but because of this New Hampshire poll, which is pretty representative of the current situation in the early states: Biden is falling behind more and more in those states, which could cost him all momentum if this trend continues.

He's already on the 4th spot in Iowa in the polls aggregate, if this also happens in NH then his campaign will be dead.



The Nintendo eShop rating Thread: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=237454 List as Google Doc:  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aW2hXQT1TheElVS7z-F3pP-7nbqdrDqWNTxl6JoJWBY/edit?usp=sharing

The Steam/GOG key gifting thread: https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread/242024/the-steamgog-key-gifting-thread/1/ 

Free Pc Games thread: https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread/248138/free-pc-games/1/

jason1637 on 26 November 2019
haxxiy said:

New Quinnipiac poll released today:

Biden 24%
Buttigieg 16%
Warren 14%
Sanders 13%
Harris 3%
Klobuchar 3%
Bloomberg 3%
Booker 2%
Castro 2%
Yang 2%
Bennet 2%
Gabbard 1%

Moderate wave. 



HylianSwordsman on 26 November 2019
Jaicee said:
tsogud said:

Good day ladies, gents and everyone in between and outside the gender binary! Another day, another poll! Sorry Uran I know how much you don't like polls :p

Morning Consult just released their new poll, interviewing 8,102 registered voters from Nov. 21st to the 24th, here's how it stacks up from their previous pre-debate polling:

1. Biden at 30% (-2% change from last poll)

2. Sanders at 21% (+1%)

3. Warren at 15% (-2%)

4. Buttigieg at 9% (+1%)

5. Harris at 5% (No change)

6. Yang at 4% (+1%)

Bloomberg/Gabbard/Klobuchar/Booker/Steyer at 2%

Now on to their early primary states poll. So among the registered voters in Iowa, NH, NV, and SC here's how the candidates fare:

1. Biden at 26% (-3% change from last poll)

2. Sanders at 23% (+5%)

3. Warren at 18% (+1%)

4. Steyer at 9% (+1%)

5. Buttigieg at 8% (-2%)

6. Yang at 4% (+2%)

Harris(-2%)/Bloomberg(-1%)/Klobuchar(no change) all at 2%

Here's the link.

An interesting thing to note is that although Warren still has very strong support as far as second choices go, Sanders is now giving her a lot more competition in that area. It seems Buttigieg supporters do not like Sanders at all and vice versa.

Yar, I think it also helped that Sanders was able to clarify in this last debate that his transition plan, while not finely detailed yet, WILL be a one-stage, one-vote policy proposal. Warren's two-stage proposition conflicts with her whole brand of being the pragmatic progressive in this contest, as frankly most everyone knows that nine times out of ten, a sitting president's party loses seats in the Congress during the first midterm election of their tenure. Bernie's simpler approach to M4A is just making a lot more sense in comparison. I think that's a factor here too.

Also, told you the Warren fad was over. This downward trend is most likely only going to continue.

I'm glad I didn't respond to your post last week just before the debate, because my response would have basically been to make the argument you laid out here, but angrier. I posted a link back then that also made a similar argument. I don't think Warren will fade completely like Harris and Booker are, and it would be for the better of both Sanders and Warren if neither fades completely (combining delegates at the convention and all that), so I hope Warren doesn't drop out.



HylianSwordsman on 26 November 2019
Jaicee said:

SO...here are my candidate preferences in order as of this writing. Note that this list only includes candidates who made the last debate and new entries since then, NOT candidates who have been effectively eliminated:

TIER 1: THE ECONOMIC POPULISTS

1) Bernie Sanders
2) Elizabeth Warren

TIER 2: THE HUMAN BEINGS

3) Pete Buttigieg
4) Andrew Yang

TIER 3: THE SJWs

5) Kamala Harris
6) Cory Booker

TIER 4: THE CORPORATE DRONES

7) Deval Patrick
8) Joe Biden
9) Amy Klobuchar

-----------WILL NEVER VOTE FOR CANDIDATES BELOW THIS LINE EVEN IN PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION--------------

TIER 5: THE ACTUAL CORPORATIONS

10) Tom Steyer
11) Michael Bloomberg

HER OWN TIER: THE TRAITOR

12) Tulsi Gabbard

Wait really? You're putting Bernie first? So the transition plan was the tipping point for you? Or am I reading this wrong? If so, welcome, though I wonder if you'd have joined sooner if we hadn't been so aggressive in this thread. I'm really sorry you've felt so unwelcome here lately.

It's funny, this list is pretty much the same as mine now, at least tier wise. I'd put Yang above Buttigieg, and Klobuchar above Biden, but that's about it. I also might give Steyer his own tier just above the voting line, if only because I have seen the efforts that Bofferbrauer described in his response and it has made me wonder if maybe, just maybe, he might be an Roosevelt-esque class traitor. I'm not ready to trust him yet though.

Might I ask why you place Klobuchar below Biden?