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DarthMetalliCube said:
Can't make this stuff up - Hillary Clinton, the woman who sold half the US supply of uranium to Putin, who's husband is on record taking $500,000 from a Russian investment bank, just accused Tulsi Gabbard of being a Russian asset. Tulsi, the 16 year US combat medic National Guard congresswoman. This is no better than Trump attacking a gold star family, completely despicable. The corporate warhawk establishment is so afraid of Tulsi and I love it..

HRC is probably the most hated politician in America - her smear is an endorcement as far as I'm concerned XD.

Back that up or retract your statement.



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Clinton is a clown. Its obvious she doesn't like Gabbard since she saw what the BS the DNC tried to pull in 2016 and called them out after she quit as a chair of the DNC. Gabbard also endorsed Bernie so yeah Clinton doesn't like her. I'm not even a big fan of Gabbard but its obvious that the party has been out to get her.



Clinton's accusation is emblematic of the DNC's propagandist intent and a showcase that "Russian plant" is just classical conditioning for the masses. Wouldn't surprise me if she's considering another run.



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morenoingrato said:

https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1185289626409406464?s=19

Bahahahahahahahahahhaha

Gabbard's finally lost it. I hope that after this, she only goes more unhinged.
I didn't think the lunatic could go crazier, but this is probably her breaking point.
I won't stand here and defend Clinton, but she is probably right about Gabbard and Russia, and I can only hope that the attacks escalate.

If you told me this was a Trump Tweet, I'd believe you.

Bonus:

https://twitter.com/NickMerrill/status/1185295332034301953?s=19

Excuse Me?

Who is acting like Trump again..? 

Let's see... An elitist white Neocon (yes Hillary is essentially a Neocon with a few probably phony social liberal views) attacking and smearing an American liberal woman of color as a "foreign traitor." Hmmm, who does that sound like again? I sure hope you weren't also condemning Trump for his attacks on Ilhar Omar because that would be mighty hypocritical and I fail to see how this is really different. 

And who is the crazy one? Sounds to me like it's the old crazy lady spouting conspiracy theories with no basis and shamelessly attacking a sitting congresswoman and 16-year combat medic of the US National Guard. I mean gee, how would YOU respond if you were unfairly smeared like that? I'd be just as pissed. Shit that was tame, actually. I'd have been FAR more pissed than the response Tulsi gave. She's absolutely in the right to respond in such a way. 

Whenever I think maybe it's time to come back to the Dems, that maybe they've regained some honor, shit like this just reminds me that they're still merely a slightly more left wing version of the Republicans at the end of the day - xenophobic, authoritarian, fear/warmongering, corporate elitists Neocons (not talking about their supporters or anyone here necessarily, just mainly the modern-day DNC establishment).

tsogud said:
morenoingrato said:

I don't think a candidate like her is deserving of any respect. Jokes aside, I find her actions on Syria grotesque, and her talking points as treasonous as Trump's.

Also, it's very telling that this specifically upsets you, considering this thread consists of almost relentless Warren bashing.

It's not telling whatsoever considering the "almost relentless Warren bashing" is a lie. You're literally revelling in Tulsi's misfortune. Frankly it's grotesque and childish.

Neolib centrists are absolutely unhinged and becoming increasingly exclusionary by the day. Then they wonder why they're hemorrhaging support and a buffoon like Trump, a reality show celeb can possibly win an election. Their utter lack of self-awareness is astounding to me.

Even many Dems and supporters of other candidates who aren't Tulsi supporters are beginning to see this for the bogus smear campaign and character assassination it is. They've overplayed their hand.. And they've given Tulsi a ton more support and exposure in the process. Thanks Hillary! XD

Just keep making that box of inclusiveness smaller and smaller Democrats! That'll surely win you the election in 2020! Excluding and demonizing as many people as possible, even fellow liberals! XD

Mnementh said:

"That's assuming Jill Stein will give it up, which she might not, because she's also a Russian asset," Clinton said. "Yes, she's a Russian asset, I mean, totally. They know they can't win without a third-party candidate."

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/18/politics/hillary-clinton-tulsi-gabbard/index.html

Wow, Hillary Clinton totally lost it. She is so full of hatred against anyone progressive. Currently she works with full power to ensure Trumps reelection. I mean, she could join his team openly, as policy-wise she is closer to Trump than to Stein, Sanders or Gabbard. Clinton might destroy the Democratic Party, in an fight over pushing out progressives. And this conspiracy-theory of everyone being a russian asset.

Honestly, and this might sound a little nutty, but what else am I to believe after the actions of some of these Dems? Been pondering this for some months now. I'm seriously beginning to believe that some of the Neolib Dems are legitimately trying to sabotage their own cause. They secretly WANT Trump reelected. That way they can continue to play the "underdog" role while failing to get much of anything done. They can just deflect any blame as to policies or happenings in our country on him, while maintaining support. But if they reclaim power, then suddenly responsibility, blame, etc all falls on them. They can't have that.

I'm sorry to say but Warren has next to no chance to beat Trump. The guy will absolutely tear her apart. And the dull, centrist Biden, with all his baggage, is a long shot at best.

I mean think about it.. Why the hell of all people would they go after Tulsi? One of the few sensible candidates, and about the one candidate who can draw in support from independents and even some right-wing folks? She's one of the few that can shake things up and bring real positive change and unite people. I honestly think she's the best option to beat Trump, and the Dems just constantly shit on her for no reason. Why? 

I mean if she was the nominee and represented the Dem party against Trump, it's not like anyone on the left would vote for Trump against her. They'd rally behind her. Then at the same time, she'd draw many former Trump voters, non voters, independents, etc.. After all, I thought the point was to bring it MORE voters, not alienate them (at least in the general)!

I think these people are legit accepting their role as the "resistance" party. They've grown comfortable in the role. They need Trump as president.

SpokenTruth said:
DarthMetalliCube said:
Can't make this stuff up - Hillary Clinton, the woman who sold half the US supply of uranium to Putin, who's husband is on record taking $500,000 from a Russian investment bank, just accused Tulsi Gabbard of being a Russian asset. Tulsi, the 16 year US combat medic National Guard congresswoman. This is no better than Trump attacking a gold star family, completely despicable. The corporate warhawk establishment is so afraid of Tulsi and I love it..

HRC is probably the most hated politician in America - her smear is an endorcement as far as I'm concerned XD.

Back that up or retract your statement.

My bad.. It's actually 20%. I retract 30% of it XD

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/russia-scandal-is-real-involves-hillary-clinton/

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Okay, a lot of you will hate me for this, but I feel it needs to be shared...

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/rep-tulsi-gabbard-gets-2020-endorsement-from-david-duke-2019-10-19

Yeah, so...that happened. At least she firmly stated her rejection of his support. Says a lot about the kind of support she attracts though. I find it unsettling, rejection or not.



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HylianSwordsman said:
Okay, a lot of you will hate me for this, but I feel it needs to be shared...

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/rep-tulsi-gabbard-gets-2020-endorsement-from-david-duke-2019-10-19

Yeah, so...that happened. At least she firmly stated her rejection of his support. Says a lot about the kind of support she attracts though. I find it unsettling, rejection or not.

Yikes! That's one awful endorsement. I agree it does speak volumes. No shade but Tulsi should just drop out now while she's ahead, she's not gonna win and this endorsement doesn't do her any favors. Sorry to any Tulsi supporters.



 

On the topic of endorsements, today Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez officially endorses Bernie Sanders for president alongside Ilhan Omar who had endorsed him earlier this week. Sanders has now received half of the squads endorsements, Ayanna Pressley and Rashida Tlaib have yet to give their endorsements. I suspect Pressley will most likely endorse Warren as she hails from the same state but both endorsements are still up in the air.

Aoc's statement:

Omar's statement:

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Not that I'm a fan of Clinton, but...    

Tulsi went on Tucker Carlson's show to rag on Hillary Clinton.

Which given that she was responding to Hillary Clinton accusing her of being groomed to be a third party candidate, just doesn't feel like a good look.

I don't think she's being groomed by Russia, but it definitely feels like she is thinking to try for a third party run.

DarthMetalliCube said:

My bad.. It's actually 20%. I retract 30% of it XD

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/russia-scandal-is-real-involves-hillary-clinton/

Many of the claims made in this article are debunked here.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/11/06/561587174/the-alternative-russia-scandal

-The sale was approved by 9 different government agencies, which Hillary Clinton was not there for a vote for any of them.  

-Uranium One doesn't control 20%

-Most of that $145 million came from a Canadian business man and family friend of the Clintons.  

Frankly from the looks of it, investor.com shouldn't be touched by a 10 foot pole.  



Rumor is Tlaib is leaning Bernie, even Omar thought she was going to endorse him. I suspect she's waiting for a more strategic time for it.

Unlike Trump, who's David Duke endorsement made perfect sense because they're both racist fuckheads, I don't think Tulsi is white supremacist, not at all. That said, she gets a disturbing amount of support from not merely the right, but specifically the FAR-right, as in the proudly fascist right, because of some of the rhetoric she chooses and some of the strategy she uses.

Here's just one example of that, Steve Bannon, back when he was in the White House as the chief strategist:
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/307106-bannon-set-up-trump-gabbard-meeting



I hate to make the crowd size thing into some kind of dick measuring contest (especially since Bernie partially achieved this with the help of AOC) but Bernie has the crowd size record again, 26,000 now.

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/19/bernie-sanders-ocasio-cortez-endorsement-rally-051491

This article also mentions that Tlaib is believed to be leaning towards Bernie for endorsement.