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Yeah I'm really happy to hear Warren make the commitment to no big money in the general, that's really huge for me and does a lot towards rebuilding the trust I once had for her. I'm just glad Biden isn't the frontrunner anymore. Let's hope things stay that way. I'll be cheering, campaigning, and voting for Bernie until the bitter end, but Warren is a huge step up in frontrunner, from my last place choice to my second place choice. I hope if she gets the nom she picks Bernie as VP. I think his strategy of political revolution could still work well as VP. It functions off the bully pulpit, which he kind of already has simply by having a movement, but even the vice presidency is enough of a legitimacy boost that the media wouldn't be able to ignore him. I think the Dem establishment understands this to some degree, hence why they gave him the Chair position of the Outreach Committee. Making him VP would be that on steroids, even if it isn't the actual presidency, so he could end up being the most effective VP in history, considering most VPs accomplish little if anything, while Sanders could be the guy rallying the people behind Warren's plans, and holding her to account if she ever seems to stray towards the establishment.

You know, it's funny, back in 2015 when I'd first heard of Bernie Sanders shortly before he announced his candidacy, I immediately liked the guy, and was a huge Warren fan at the time. My immediate thought was that a Warren campaign should put Bernie on the ticket as VP, that was my dream team. As I got to know Sanders, and since Warren wasn't running, I figured a Sanders-Warren ticket could still work. It wasn't until much later that I started to distrust her at all, when she refused to endorse anyone before super Tuesday due to pressure from the establishment for having signed a petition encouraging Hillary to run, long before she knew Sanders would run. It just seemed like cowardice to me, at a time when the progressive movement felt ascendant. When it came out that the primary had been rigged, Hillary's campaign chair was behind it, and Hillary had corrupt financial connections to the party's national fundraising infrastructure, and Warren still endorsed her and didn't denounce any of it, it really pissed me off, it just felt so cowardly. Eventually though I realized as Sanders did when he endorsed her too that Trump was an existential threat to democracy and Hillary wasn't, so it wasn't simply a "lesser of two evils" choice anymore, it was an existential crisis. Even after that, I still had a bad taste in my mouth for Warren because I still felt like if she'd lent her progressive weight and credibility to Sanders before Iowa, he'd have won the primary and the general in a landslide, and we wouldn't be in this nightmare, and it still just felt like it was cowardice on her part. Since then, however, she's shown a lot of courage and started making major moves to fight hard for systemic change again, and reminded me why she was once my favorite politician. Like I said, I'm with Bernie to the bitter end, but with Warren's latest commitment against big money, and her new lead in the polls, I feel like we have a pretty exciting alternative to Bernie that actually looks like she'll win the primary. That can only be good news.



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... She's a proven liar guys, just because she's said something doesn't make it true and even if it is that should have been the case from the start but it wasn't. The more you dig into her past the more you find out she's not what she's portraying herself as but if you're fine with getting hit with Obama 2.0 so be it. If that happens as Humans we deserve whatever comes of it. I mean, its not like we're at a very serious crossroads that might determine if our species goes extinct faster or not or anything but hey, sure. Let's take a chance on the waffler who calls a 200 page bill a framework, I'm sure she'll fight for that "framework", i'm sure she'll fight for that Green new deal cause she's lead on this issue right? I'm sure all the people who would be left behind by her student debt plan are happy right? Anyway this will probably be the last I'll comment on WARren in here, instead I'll just share this. On a real... More people need to start paying attention to actions than words. Look at records and actions vs rhetoric. Look at their past and don't dismiss at as "evolving" especially when the overton window in america has shifted to the right. Its all up to you but on a real, She's the 2nd coming of Obama and if you're fine with flowery talk and little action vs a proven fighter, then we as a people deserve whatever consequences comes out of it, cause let me spell this out for you. Trump doesn't need to beat Warren to maintain his presidency. The republican base is always fired up, he just needs to draw sympathy (the impeachment will help since it looks like they're covering up for biden since they wont go all in on all his crimes but focus on Ukraine) and point out how corrupt the democrats are. On top of and the main point on Warren, her record is her contradicting herself and lying over and over again (see getting fired as a teacher (she lied) and also native american heritage (she lied) ). Trump doesn't need the voters to switch to his side, he just needs them to not show up and its soooooooo much easier to do under Warren. So yes, take that chance. That's all I'm gonna say on the matter. Anyway, enjoy this wonderful Bernie video by Matt Orf again. He's doing an amazing job with these.



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uran10 said:

... She's a proven liar guys, just because she's said something doesn't make it true and even if it is that should have been the case from the start but it wasn't. The more you dig into her past the more you find out she's not what she's portraying herself as but if you're fine with getting hit with Obama 2.0 so be it. If that happens as Humans we deserve whatever comes of it. I mean, its not like we're at a very serious crossroads that might determine if our species goes extinct faster or not or anything but hey, sure. Let's take a chance on the waffler who calls a 200 page bill a framework, I'm sure she'll fight for that "framework", i'm sure she'll fight for that Green new deal cause she's lead on this issue right? I'm sure all the people who would be left behind by her student debt plan are happy right? Anyway this will probably be the last I'll comment on WARren in here, instead I'll just share this. On a real... More people need to start paying attention to actions than words. Look at records and actions vs rhetoric. Look at their past and don't dismiss at as "evolving" especially when the overton window in america has shifted to the right. Its all up to you but on a real, She's the 2nd coming of Obama and if you're fine with flowery talk and little action vs a proven fighter, then we as a people deserve whatever consequences comes out of it, cause let me spell this out for you. Trump doesn't need to beat Warren to maintain his presidency. The republican base is always fired up, he just needs to draw sympathy (the impeachment will help since it looks like they're covering up for biden since they wont go all in on all his crimes but focus on Ukraine) and point out how corrupt the democrats are. On top of and the main point on Warren, her record is her contradicting herself and lying over and over again (see getting fired as a teacher (she lied) and also native american heritage (she lied) ). Trump doesn't need the voters to switch to his side, he just needs them to not show up and its soooooooo much easier to do under Warren. So yes, take that chance. That's all I'm gonna say on the matter. Anyway, enjoy this wonderful Bernie video by Matt Orf again. He's doing an amazing job with these.

Oh and for those celebrating, here comes Warren being well.... WARren :)



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Is it really wrong to use big donors to raise money for the *party*?

Do you people not want to beat Susan Collins? Thom Tillis? Gardner? McSally? Retake key legislatures to stop gerrymandering? Do you think McConnell will happily pass whichever ambitious proposals you all want?



uran10 said:
uran10 said:

... She's a proven liar guys, just because she's said something doesn't make it true and even if it is that should have been the case from the start but it wasn't. The more you dig into her past the more you find out she's not what she's portraying herself as but if you're fine with getting hit with Obama 2.0 so be it. If that happens as Humans we deserve whatever comes of it. I mean, its not like we're at a very serious crossroads that might determine if our species goes extinct faster or not or anything but hey, sure. Let's take a chance on the waffler who calls a 200 page bill a framework, I'm sure she'll fight for that "framework", i'm sure she'll fight for that Green new deal cause she's lead on this issue right? I'm sure all the people who would be left behind by her student debt plan are happy right? Anyway this will probably be the last I'll comment on WARren in here, instead I'll just share this. On a real... More people need to start paying attention to actions than words. Look at records and actions vs rhetoric. Look at their past and don't dismiss at as "evolving" especially when the overton window in america has shifted to the right. Its all up to you but on a real, She's the 2nd coming of Obama and if you're fine with flowery talk and little action vs a proven fighter, then we as a people deserve whatever consequences comes out of it, cause let me spell this out for you. Trump doesn't need to beat Warren to maintain his presidency. The republican base is always fired up, he just needs to draw sympathy (the impeachment will help since it looks like they're covering up for biden since they wont go all in on all his crimes but focus on Ukraine) and point out how corrupt the democrats are. On top of and the main point on Warren, her record is her contradicting herself and lying over and over again (see getting fired as a teacher (she lied) and also native american heritage (she lied) ). Trump doesn't need the voters to switch to his side, he just needs them to not show up and its soooooooo much easier to do under Warren. So yes, take that chance. That's all I'm gonna say on the matter. Anyway, enjoy this wonderful Bernie video by Matt Orf again. He's doing an amazing job with these.

Oh and for those celebrating, here comes Warren being well.... WARren :)

She's a 🤡. DNC money contributes to her campaign since that money will help get her elected if she's the nominee. 



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morenoingrato said:
Is it really wrong to use big donors to raise money for the *party*?

Do you people not want to beat Susan Collins? Thom Tillis? Gardner? McSally? Retake key legislatures to stop gerrymandering? Do you think McConnell will happily pass whichever ambitious proposals you all want?

Getting money from big donors isn't always bad but Warren is saying she won't lobby them for her campaign but for the party. Money the DNC raises will go to help her get elected so at the end of the day she will be using big donors in the general. She's a snake.



jason1637 said:
morenoingrato said:
Is it really wrong to use big donors to raise money for the *party*?

Do you people not want to beat Susan Collins? Thom Tillis? Gardner? McSally? Retake key legislatures to stop gerrymandering? Do you think McConnell will happily pass whichever ambitious proposals you all want?

Getting money from big donors isn't always bad but Warren is saying she won't lobby them for her campaign but for the party. Money the DNC raises will go to help her get elected so at the end of the day she will be using big donors in the general. She's a snake.

Whatever, you guys are delusional.  Money is always something a campaign for the Presidency needs and having less money will mean you cannot compete in as many states as you will want.  Personally I will just wait to see how things shake out before making any type of decisions on her personal character.  People seem to come out of the wood works with all of these high and mighty principals but seem to easily throw them away when it matters.



Machiavellian said:
jason1637 said:

Getting money from big donors isn't always bad but Warren is saying she won't lobby them for her campaign but for the party. Money the DNC raises will go to help her get elected so at the end of the day she will be using big donors in the general. She's a snake.

Whatever, you guys are delusional.  Money is always something a campaign for the Presidency needs and having less money will mean you cannot compete in as many states as you will want.  Personally I will just wait to see how things shake out before making any type of decisions on her personal character.  People seem to come out of the wood works with all of these high and mighty principals but seem to easily throw them away when it matters.

I'll point out 2 things to you.

1st: Look at the amount of Money bernie raised by small $ donors only.

2nd: Bernie hasn't run on any big money ever, for over 40 years.

His character is as clear as they come while others are.... trying to play people like Obama did. No thanks, I'm watching records and actions and the choice is clear. I'm also going to point out that while money is important, Bernie is raising a lot and he has more boots on the ground which will go further than money. He has people canvassing in all the states as well as donating. He's got the numbers to win and even more people are volunteering and working to help him get elected through his app. I should Know cause I'm one of them.



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Machiavellian said:
jason1637 said:

Getting money from big donors isn't always bad but Warren is saying she won't lobby them for her campaign but for the party. Money the DNC raises will go to help her get elected so at the end of the day she will be using big donors in the general. She's a snake.

Whatever, you guys are delusional.  Money is always something a campaign for the Presidency needs and having less money will mean you cannot compete in as many states as you will want.  Personally I will just wait to see how things shake out before making any type of decisions on her personal character.  People seem to come out of the wood works with all of these high and mighty principals but seem to easily throw them away when it matters.

If she never made the statement and raised money from big donors I'd just take it as business as usual cause raising money is important for a campaign. The issue is that he said she won't be doing this but at the end of the day lobbying big donors for the DNC will be raising money for her campaign. It shows had poor her character is.



Machiavellian said:
jason1637 said:

Getting money from big donors isn't always bad but Warren is saying she won't lobby them for her campaign but for the party. Money the DNC raises will go to help her get elected so at the end of the day she will be using big donors in the general. She's a snake.

Whatever, you guys are delusional.  Money is always something a campaign for the Presidency needs and having less money will mean you cannot compete in as many states as you will want.  Personally I will just wait to see how things shake out before making any type of decisions on her personal character.  People seem to come out of the wood works with all of these high and mighty principals but seem to easily throw them away when it matters.

Wait what. No. 

Money will always come from small donors as has been proven within campaigns of multiple candidates. But do you want giant corporations paying huge sums of money to politicians and not expect them to do their bidding? You think big donors just donate money cause they believe in the candidate? It's legal bribery at its basic core and one of the biggest problems in US's political system. You need campaign reform yesterday.



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