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Okay, you all want to see an outlier? Here's an outlier:
https://utahpolicy.com/index.php/features/today-at-utah-policy/21444-trump-at-40-support-in-utah-ahead-of-2020-vote-trails-democrats-booker-and-sanders-tied-with-warren-and-biden-in-head-to-head-matchup

This is a Utah poll from a Salt Lake City based pollster matching Trump against various 2020 Dem hopefuls in the general election. Probably not accurate at all, but I had to share it, it's just too funny. Not only are Warren and Biden nearly tied with Trump, Bernie is ahead by 6 points and BOOKER of all people is fucking TWELVE (12!) points ahead!



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HylianSwordsman said:

Okay, you all want to see an outlier? Here's an outlier:
https://utahpolicy.com/index.php/features/today-at-utah-policy/21444-trump-at-40-support-in-utah-ahead-of-2020-vote-trails-democrats-booker-and-sanders-tied-with-warren-and-biden-in-head-to-head-matchup

This is a Utah poll from a Salt Lake City based pollster matching Trump against various 2020 Dem hopefuls in the general election. Probably not accurate at all, but I had to share it, it's just too funny. Not only are Warren and Biden nearly tied with Trump, Bernie is ahead by 6 points and BOOKER of all people is fucking TWELVE (12!) points ahead!

I saw that poll yesterday. Found it odd that Booker of all people had such a lead.



8% margin of error for the subgroups, though. Everyone but Buttgieg has at least a 5% (I believe) chance of being actually ahead of Donald Trump. And everyone could be behind.

Of couse, the relative dislike for Donald Trump on both Utah and Nebraska, among Republican states, isn't anything new, according to his approval rating polls.



 

 

 

 

 

Debate positions.



jason1637 said:

Debate positions.

Biden will get squashed there between Sanders and Warren.

Beto and Yang should exchange positions, then the right end would be for those who speak spanish (or try to do so). Just kidding ^^

But the both texans next to each other promises some little duels there.



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Biden getting sandwiched. He's about to get ripped apart and I love it.



Massimus - "Trump already has democrat support."

I'm surprised no one talked about the climate change town hall debate:

https://www.vox.com/2019/9/5/20850009/cnn-climate-town-hall-2020-presidential-democrats-winners-and-losers

I agree with pretty much every point of this article. It was a pretty well done town hall, Jay Inslee got pretty much everything he wanted out of his candidacy except the presidency himself, there were good, knowledgeable questions being asked that got to the meat of the subject (sometimes literally), and it was a good move for CNN and the Democratic party to hold it. Bernie kicked ass, showing masterful knowledge of the subject matter and the details of his plan. Warren did well too, and had a few good lines. Biden looked like a fool and is being portrayed as one all over because he was stupid enough to schedule an oil and gas fundraiser with the super rich right after this town hall. He's looking more obsolete by the second.

Edit: Also, while the Dems do get to look good for doing this, the credit is being rightfully given to the Sunrise Movement for successfully pushing for this.



HylianSwordsman said:

I'm surprised no one talked about the climate change town hall debate:

https://www.vox.com/2019/9/5/20850009/cnn-climate-town-hall-2020-presidential-democrats-winners-and-losers

I agree with pretty much every point of this article. It was a pretty well done town hall, (1) Jay Inslee got pretty much everything he wanted out of his candidacy except the presidency himself, there were good, knowledgeable questions being asked that got to the meat of the subject (sometimes literally), and it was a good move for CNN and the Democratic party to hold it. Bernie kicked ass, showing masterful knowledge of the subject matter and the details of his plan. Warren did well too, and had a few good lines. (2) Biden looked like a fool and is being portrayed as one all over because he was stupid enough to schedule an oil and gas fundraiser with the super rich right after this town hall. He's looking more obsolete by the second.

Edit: Also, while the Dems do get to look good for doing this, the credit is being rightfully given to the Sunrise Movement for successfully pushing for this.

Thanks for the link, I didn't watch it.

(1): This is what I mean, when I say a candidacy for president can be successful even if you don't become president. Climate change may have been an issue in the discussion, but the pressure the Jay Inslee candidacy put on the other candidates made sure it is a big issue. I hope the same for Tulsi Gabbard and the issue of war, Andrew Yang and the issue of automatisation and Julian Castro and the issue of immigration.

(2): Yeah well, Biden is stupid enough to make his allegiations clear. Many politicians do the same as Biden, but they are aware of public focus and are much more cautious with stuff like this. Biden probably thinks he gets away with it as a front-runner. But the point is, even if the primaries go down as the current polls are, then Biden has no majority of electors. And I see a high probability of Warren and Sanders allying in a brokered convention.



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That said, Warren is being criticized by climate activists for not supporting public utilities. Justly, in my opinion. If you want a 100% renewable grid in 10 years, you're not going to get it with any of the current business models, at least not in an economically stable way, and if you try to force them to change their business model, they're just going to balk and the whole thing is going to fail. The profit motive is just too resistant to the kind of change we need. Bernie is the only one with the courage to take the fight to greedy industry executives on quite that scale, and right now I need my elected officials to have that level of courage.



https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbnenz08TQ7OSVzASfSzt0g/videos

CNN doesn't seem to be posting the whole thing anywhere, so here's a channel that uploaded the entire 7 hours, divided by candidate. Each candidate got a little over half an hour. Except Bernie for some reason, who only got 26 minutes. Whatever, Bernie still crushed this one.

Watch it before CNN gets him.