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KLAMarine said:
SpokenTruth said:

His manifesto suggests it was borne from growing hatred for Muslims and the rhetoric from Donald Trump, Candace Owens and others.  He felt that not enough direct action was being taken to destroy Islam so he took it upon himself to do it in his local community.

For the record, his manifesto is about 16,500 words long. https://pastebin.com/DMtt5xka

20 of those words are devoted to Donald Trump. Here's what he had to say:

On Candace Owens, he states in 62 words:

He also goes on to state:

can you give me some examples of where candace owens advocates for violence against muslims?

i asked spokentruth and apparently he can't find any



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o_O.Q said:
KLAMarine said:

For the record, his manifesto is about 16,500 words long. https://pastebin.com/DMtt5xka

20 of those words are devoted to Donald Trump. Here's what he had to say:

On Candace Owens, he states in 62 words:

He also goes on to state:

can you give me some examples of where candace owens advocates for violence against muslims?

i asked spokentruth and apparently he can't find any

source: https://www.businessinsider.my/candace-owens-manifesto-new-zealand-mosque-terror-2019-3/

Here is some examples (Tweets) from Candace Owen that would inspire a lunatic to do something against a specific group, specifically Muslims.

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o_O.Q said:
KLAMarine said:

For the record, his manifesto is about 16,500 words long. https://pastebin.com/DMtt5xka

20 of those words are devoted to Donald Trump. Here's what he had to say:

On Candace Owens, he states in 62 words:

He also goes on to state:

can you give me some examples of where candace owens advocates for violence against muslims?

i asked spokentruth and apparently he can't find any

The closest I find with a quick Google search is this 

She doesn't outright call for genocide of Muslims, but when she first says that France should form an army, then that the reason for the army is a "declining birth rate", then says that there will be a Muslim majority in a way that suggests having a Muslim majority would be bad, the whole sentence comes together to sound like she's saying that she advocates for the formation of an army to genocide Muslims so as to prevent them from becoming a majority. Again, it doesn't outright say that, but you could imagine how in the shooter's mind, he might interpret it that way.



Aboslutely horrible and even more disguisting that the monster live streamed it. They should live stream his hanging.

Probably the biggest insult to injury, other than the fact that the scumbag broadcasted it - is that he actually spelled out that he wishes to further enflame political and racial division - which will no doubt happen between the mainstream media and those that lap up any sort of sensationalism they spew out. So people are basically going to give him what he wants.

Best ways to give this guy the collective bird - don't make him famous, and come together, rather than divide and fight over tribes. 



 

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Proxy-Pie said:

Statement from an Australian senator...

This guy got egged, apparently...



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jason1637 said:

Guns are still very important for people to use to protect themselves when their government becomes oppressive. 

As for facism I'm not sure how you can really combat it without taking away the rights of regular citizens. Countries can teach about the negative affects of it more I guess. 

Nah.

jason1637 said:

Yes. Dictatorships can still happen and if the government passes laws that take away rights it's up yo the people yo revolt with gun power.

If you don't have a stable democracy, then of course Dictatorships can still happen. - That statement holds true whether citizens have guns or not... I mean Turkey is a good example, right?

jason1637 said:

If someone lives somewhere with lots of crime they need a gun to protect themselves.

When citizens take the law into their own hands, innocent lives tend to be lost at higher rates due to accidents, false information (I.E. Accusing someone innocent), bad practices and general Mal-intent.
The legal system tends to exist for a reason.

Farsala said:

The thing is, a massacre of 100 people in Australia is quite bad compared to massacre of 100 people in say Brazil or USA. Australia is almost as big as USA or Brazil but has a very small population, as well as density. So the gun violence rate would be quite terrible statistically if that were to happen.

To put in perspective this 50 casualty massacre in NZ would be equivalent to 3000 casualty massacres in USA.

I was speaking in hypothetical's to present an example.

KLAMarine said:

This guy got egged, apparently...

Already linked to it. Hoping he gets charged for hitting a minor.



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deskpro2k3 said:
o_O.Q said:

can you give me some examples of where candace owens advocates for violence against muslims?

i asked spokentruth and apparently he can't find any

source: https://www.businessinsider.my/candace-owens-manifesto-new-zealand-mosque-terror-2019-3/

Here is some examples (Tweets) from Candace Owen that would inspire a lunatic to do something against a specific group, specifically Muslims.

There can be examples in the damn Harry Potter books,by reacting to it in this way you are doing what the shooter wants.

Edit: Btw he also said Spyro 3 inspired him,someone would like to use this for any agenda?

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Pemalite said:
jason1637 said:

Guns are still very important for people to use to protect themselves when their government becomes oppressive. 

As for facism I'm not sure how you can really combat it without taking away the rights of regular citizens. Countries can teach about the negative affects of it more I guess. 

Nah.

jason1637 said:

Yes. Dictatorships can still happen and if the government passes laws that take away rights it's up yo the people yo revolt with gun power.

If you don't have a stable democracy, then of course Dictatorships can still happen. - That statement holds true whether citizens have guns or not... I mean Turkey is a good example, right?

jason1637 said:

If someone lives somewhere with lots of crime they need a gun to protect themselves.

When citizens take the law into their own hands, innocent lives tend to be lost at higher rates due to accidents, false information (I.E. Accusing someone innocent), bad practices and general Mal-intent.
The legal system tends to exist for a reason.


Even strong democracies can crumble under terrible leadership. It has happened before and it's naive to believe that it can't happen again.

Well if a criminal illegally has a gun and you got a gun legally and then they pull up on a family member with a gun you can defend yourself and your family with your gun. The legal system won't do much to help you in that moment.



the-pi-guy said:
jason1637 said:

Well if a criminal illegally has a gun and you got a gun legally and then they pull up on a family member with a gun you can defend yourself and your family with your gun. The legal system won't do much to help you in that moment.

The issue is that for every instance of "good guy with a gun stops bad guy with a gun", there's 10 instances where there's no way that could have happened in the first place.  (And other countries seem to have more success with preventing those in the first place).  

Yeah i agree and in a lot of the cases that good guy wont even be able to defend himself properly when having that gun,it is one thing to have a gun and another to use it.



the-pi-guy said:
jason1637 said:

Well if a criminal illegally has a gun and you got a gun legally and then they pull up on a family member with a gun you can defend yourself and your family with your gun. The legal system won't do much to help you in that moment.

The issue is that for every instance of "good guy with a gun stops bad guy with a gun", there's 10 instances where there's no way that could have happened in the first place.  (And other countries seem to have more success with preventing those in the first place).  

Is there really? Im really curious whats the ratio between people protecting themselves with guns to people using guns for criminal acts.