SpokenTruth said:
It's one of the Supporter perks. |
Wow. That's actually a really good perk. I've never been more tempted to be a supporter than right now...
SpokenTruth said:
It's one of the Supporter perks. |
Wow. That's actually a really good perk. I've never been more tempted to be a supporter than right now...
Pemalite said:
Because Fraser Anning isn't an Australian if he prescribes to racist, xenophobic, bigoted, homophobic, sexist, child abusing rhetoric.
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But how is he a hero? All he did was smash an egg on someone's head. He didn't save the world, he didn't save anyone, in fact, he just wasted an egg ;)
Throwing an egg at someone a majority of Australia hates doesn't make him a hero.
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Cobretti2 said:
Fraser is a tosser but smashing (not throwing) and egg on someone whilst filming clearly was aiming to get a reaction. Anyone doing such an act should be aware that their actions have consequences. 17 year old is hardly a minor. It's called a little cunt who knows what they are doing and should be wacked back to learn some respect. Younger men than him went to WWI and WWII to defend this country, they would be disgusted by him. He is no hero. I mean he attacked a senior citizen who is 70 years old. The blokes who died at war are heros. I say this to everyone who says the egging was justified. Go get an egg and do it to a random person or even a cop. See what happens. As for being charged, well I think the only person who can file that charge is Fraser. If it hasn't happened then I guess it won't. |
I get that every action has a consequence, but getting slapped a few times then pinned down and kicked in the head is too far.
He's not "a little c**t", it's not like he's going around smashing an egg on peoples head. I'm not saying it's okay for him to do that, but one action doesn't mean he has no respect for everyone, or he's a little shit.
The boy got off charge I believe. And I don't think Fraser would get charged either. Sidenote; https://www.gofundme.com/f/money-for-eggboi The boy plans to send a majority of the money to the Christchurch victims, is he still a little shit?
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I'm a couple days late on this, although I had heard the news a couple of days earlier but this is Absolutely tragic
Saddens me to hear that this sort of stuff happens.
konnichiwa said:
Yeah I hope it is not real, but considering how racist Australians can be I would be not surprised if it is true. BTW if it is confirmed Fake please delete your message. |
Just like it's wrong to paint all muslims with the terrorist brush, so is painting Australians with the racist brush, we are no different from any other Nation , the fact is extremism has no fixed Nationality,ideology or religion and the truth is Australia is just like the rest of the world when it comes too racism it exists but just like in those other places the vast majority are anti racist.
The Senator Anning is just an arsehole who got lucky he received 19 votes but got in because of Senate electoral rules that state upon a Senate seat becoming vacant for whatever reason before the next election then the next candidate on the list from the same party is selected and that's how he got in with just 19 votes and once there just like other First Nation backed candidates he declare himself independent, but he will be gone in a few months when we have new elections.
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Bloody aussie. I told you all they are dangerous. I dont feel save living here in melbourne
SpokenTruth said:
I have you on my ignore list, remember? I only un-ignored you so I could what crap you were asking from me and it doesn't make any sense at all. I never said Candace Owens was advocating violence against Muslims. I said, "His manifesto suggests it was borne from growing hatred for Muslims and the rhetoric from Donald Trump, Candace Owens and others." Now back on the ignore list you go. Just look what you've turned this thread into.
Glad to hear you are OK. Madness seems to be everywhere these days. |
"I have you on my ignore list, remember?"
you never told me and why would you ever do that? we have great conversations, we may disagree, but we still have great conversations
''I never said Candace Owens was advocating violence against Muslims.
I said, "His manifesto suggests it was borne from growing hatred for Muslims and the rhetoric from Donald Trump, Candace Owens and others."
you are attributing the actions of this man to rhetoric from candace owens, if you are now admitting that there really is no link between candace owen's rhetoric and violence against muslims, there seems to be a contradiction in there somewhere
" Just look what you've turned this thread into."
all i did was to counter this insane idea that if a crazy person takes relatively innocuous behavior from someone else as motivation to caused harm then the crazy person is not responsible for their actions, its instead the behavior
as i've said that's tantamount to claiming that if a man see's a woman dressing provocatively and he assaults her then its her fault for provoking him... its not a good standard to set
HylianSwordsman said:
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"I could say the similar things about conservative Christians and their regressive views on women, but I don't. For a long time, the country was majority conservative Christian, only recently have they lost enough ground to progressive Christianity and atheism"
good so why are you in favour of islam's growing influence?
progressive christianity? that should be interesting, explain that one
"I never at any point said they should leave the country or that we should kill them"
and you think this is candace owen's intent? in the tweet you quoted did she imply that muslims should be killed or forced to leave the country?
"It's the regressive views that need to be combated in whatever form they take, not the people that hold them."
regressive views on women are integral to many religions and islam is definitely one of them in my opinion
no one is saying that these people are a problem, the stated problem is their ideology
" Remember when Clinton called a whole bunch of people "deplorable"?"
i'm not a republican or a conservative so i don't see why you would look for a specific example you think i agree with and no if its her opinion that certain people are deplorable then its good that she said it if she can justify her argument
we would both agree that rapists are deplorable right? why?
"or treat them like their very presence might be a problem like in Candace's case."
as i've said previously,, if those people have regressive views on women, I can understand why candace as a woman would be concerned about their influence growing... i suppose what is interesting is that you don't think her concern is justified
" it's how she expresses it and what her solutions are for dealing with it."
as i've said before if you aren't able to realise that she wasn't being literally when she said an army should be built then you need to step away from the internet for a bit
ok lets follow this thread of though, are you seriously telling me that candace thinks that the military of france is going to take strategic advice from a 30 year old political commentator? sounds absolutely ridiculous right? so why are you pretending that this is the case?
" You said it yourself, it doesn't make sense. Armies don't fix birth rates."
exactly she said it tongue in cheek, when you have conversations with people are you always this oblivious to communication that's not overt? i'd hope not
"He got his conclusion from Candace's statement"
the man that assaulted the woman was inspired to do so by seeing the woman... you see how that works?
you aren't looking at the fact that the person is crazy and the sole blame for their actions lies on them, instead you have to look for someone else to drag into it even though you cannot logically link candace's statements to the crime
"Well that's because it's not the demographics that are the issue. It's the values system. "
value systems increase or decrease proportionally with the populations that they live in
" They teach women to expect a man to be rich and able to completely provide for them, and to date based on that, instead of love. "
the preference of women for men who hold more resources is almost universal and is seen across just about every value system and its almost universal in the animal kingdom as well... so you're barking up the wrong tree there
"there have to be overarching values that we cherish across all the cultures. Those overarching values often inform the future direction of the multiple cultures living within the society. So for America, we value life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness."
islam as a religion is not compatible with liberty and the pursuit of happiness for women, so again where are you going with this? ( i could be wrong on the views of islam on women but from eveerything i've experienced i don't think so )
"They maintained their cultural identity, but evolved towards the greater American culture of liberty and justice for all, with all of us equal"
you are contradicting yourself, how can a cultural identify partially based on suppressing women result in everyone being equal?
"It's the power of our democracy. "
american is not a democracy and you better pray it never becomes that
"My initial quoting of that tweet was because you asked for an example of Candace Owens talking about Muslims"
you were supposed to provide an example of rhetoric that could logically be used as motivation for this shooting
Last edited by o_O.Q - on 19 March 2019forest-spirit said: Did some research, found his manifesto. Yeah, this is the deed of some worthless extreme-right nutjob, done as "revenge" for terror attacks in Europe and to preserve the holy white race and other crap. |
He is a big supporter of communism so he is just as much a far left nutjob.
o_O.Q said:
"I could say the similar things about conservative Christians and their regressive views on women, but I don't. For a long time, the country was majority conservative Christian, only recently have they lost enough ground to progressive Christianity and atheism" good so why are you in favour of islam's growing influence? progressive christianity? that should be interesting, explain that one
"I never at any point said they should leave the country or that we should kill them" and you think this is candace owen's intent? in the tweet you quoted did she imply that muslims should be killed or forced to leave the country?
"It's the regressive views that need to be combated in whatever form they take, not the people that hold them." regressive views on women are integral to many religions and islam is definitely one of them in my opinion no one is saying that these people are a problem, the stated problem is their ideology
" Remember when Clinton called a whole bunch of people "deplorable"?" i'm not a republican or a conservative so i don't see why you would look for a specific example you think i agree with and no if its her opinion that certain people are deplorable then its good that she said it if she can justify her argument we would both agree that rapists are deplorable right? why?
"or treat them like their very presence might be a problem like in Candace's case." as i've said previously,, if those people have regressive views on women, I can understand why candace as a woman would be concerned about their influence growing... i suppose what is interesting is that you don't think her concern is justified
" it's how she expresses it and what her solutions are for dealing with it." as i've said before if you aren't able to realise that she wasn't being literally when she said an army should be built then you need to step away from the internet for a bit ok lets follow this thread of though, are you seriously telling me that candace thinks that the military of france is going to take strategic advice from a 30 year old political commentator? sounds absolutely ridiculous right? so why are you pretending that this is the case?
" You said it yourself, it doesn't make sense. Armies don't fix birth rates." exactly she said it tongue in cheek, when you have conversations with people are you always this oblivious to communication that's not overt? i'd hope not
"He got his conclusion from Candace's statement" the man that assaulted the woman was inspired to do so by seeing the woman... you see how that works? you aren't looking at the fact that the person is crazy and the sole blame for their actions lies on them, instead you have to look for someone else to drag into it even though you cannot logically link candace's statements to the crime
"Well that's because it's not the demographics that are the issue. It's the values system. " value systems increase or decrease proportionally with the populations that they live in
" They teach women to expect a man to be rich and able to completely provide for them, and to date based on that, instead of love. " the preference of women for men who hold more resources is almost universal and is seen across just about every value system and its almost universal in the animal kingdom as well... so you're barking up the wrong tree there
"there have to be overarching values that we cherish across all the cultures. Those overarching values often inform the future direction of the multiple cultures living within the society. So for America, we value life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness." islam as a religion is not compatible with liberty and the pursuit of happiness for women, so again where are you going with this? ( i could be wrong on the views of islam on women but from eveerything i've experienced i don't think so )
"They maintained their cultural identity, but evolved towards the greater American culture of liberty and justice for all, with all of us equal" you are contradicting yourself, how can a cultural identify partially based on suppressing women result in everyone being equal?
"It's the power of our democracy. " american is not a democracy and you better pray it never becomes that
"My initial quoting of that tweet was because you asked for an example of Candace Owens talking about Muslims" you were supposed to provide an example of rhetoric that could logically be used as motivation for this shooting |
I can;t go over the long waffling you guys have been having but I can say your view on Islam and women is wrong. Islam respects women in high regard, and says men and women are equal but not the same. The stuff you see are you confusing culture with religion. The culture of Saudi Arabia is disgusting in regards to women. That is the distinction. Islamic history is filled with strong, noble women from it's inception up to today and if Islam prevailed over culture in the nudrmi East and South Asia, the image you'd see would be very different. There are problems with Muslims and how we treat women but we are failing our religion rather than following it. Our views and treatment of women is only one example of that. Salafism came to be in the 18th and 19th century and has twisted what Islam is into a hideous repulsive thing. If you go back to traditional Islam and our values, you'll see the difference of Islam and the culture of the different muslim communities. You can also see that in the way the canadian Muslim community conducts itself for example. The culture of Canada stimulates us to be better Muslims Vs the culture of pakistan for example.
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