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Forums - General Discussion - "Leaving Neverland": Do you think Michael Jackson is Innocent?

 

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PortisheadBiscuit on 15 March 2019
d21lewis said:
PortisheadBiscuit said:

I was wondering the same, but apparently sex abuse victims can recant their stories later without risking a perjury charge. 

Statute of limitations has passed. Either by coincidence or by plan.

This whole thing seems so calculated, and especially now that MJ's estate has increased in value the last few years after the sale of his stake in Sony/ATV. 

What's crazy to me is to think these two dweebs feel theyre entitled to over a billion dollars. Lets say God forbid MJ did do something to these boys, they're not punishing a dead MJ, but rather his kids, mother, and whomever else is tied to the estate. None of which had anything to do with it. 



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Mr.GameCrazy on 15 March 2019

Michael Jackson was definitely eccentric, but I don't think he was ever a pedophile. I thought the allegations would stop after the 2005 trial, but it turns out I was wrong. I hope Taj Jackson (MJ's nephew) gets to make his documentary series soon.



Mr.GameCrazy on 15 March 2019
PortisheadBiscuit said:
3sexty said:

Yes the book is a piece of anecdotal evidence and as we both have stated it is not illegal. I still agree on. This. But let's make one thing  clear if we have a collection of this type of evidence even if it cannot corroborate a position of guilt, one would still be strongly inclined to make assumptions in regards to the type of behaviour on display. It's human nature to do so. Let me ask, in knowing these details would you be comfortable leaving your child unsupervised with MJ. Good human judgement would err on the side of very strong caution here and I know I wouldn't. That's for sure. As a parent if you see smoke in a direction, you would steer clear of it even if there is by small chance no fire there. The anecdotal evidence makes a strong case for at least  somekind of judgement call.Again its an opinion which many people share based on what we know. 

To be honest, before the show aired (refuse to call it a documentary) I had doubts about MJ because yes the situation is weird. It wasnt until I started digging deeper in the last week where I see just how much scum MJ had surrounded himself. From maids, to security guards, families of fans, even LaToya betrayed him at one point. He lived a super sheltered life, never got to associate with kids outside of his siblings. I truly believe he was only able to be comfortable around children, and yes our tainted minds lead us to believe he's a sicko because of it. However, no one knows what it's like to be Michael Jackson except, Michael Jackson.

To be fair, La Toya was going through an abusive relationship with her then husband, Jack Gordon, at the time. He forced her to betray her brother.

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Machiavellian on 15 March 2019
d21lewis said:
PortisheadBiscuit said:
Honestly before the documentary I was on the fence about MJ, afterwards and doing a bit of research on guys making the claim (who happen to being suing the estate for 100s of millions) I now believe he's innocent. The documentary was extremely one sided and if you were to only watch it and not do any further digging, its easy to fall prey to their compelling and graphic story.

There are so many holes in their story upon further research. One factoid that sticks out in my mind is Safechucks's mother claiming she was so happy when she learned MJ passed. "I was so glad he wouldnt be able to hurt anymore children". Um yeah MJ died in 2009, but Safechuck claims he didn't realize he was abused until 2013. Is she a time traveler?


His mom said that, during the 2003 trial, her son told her what Michael did but he still love him. He made her swear to be quiet. It's all in the doc. Safechuck thought it was love, not abuse. Even when Michael died, he still loved him.

And people are quick to forget that it was partly these guy's testimony on behalf of Michael that kept him out of prison in his other cases.

What kind of Mom, swear to a child that was molested by a grown ass man, not to reveal such a thing in a court of law.  That story in itself sounds off the charts crazy.  I cannot think of any parent caring if their child believes being molested by a grown ass man is OK.  Unless, MJ dropped some millions for them to keep quite that whole story doesn't hold up at all.



d21lewis on 15 March 2019
Machiavellian said:
d21lewis said:

His mom said that, during the 2003 trial, her son told her what Michael did but he still love him. He made her swear to be quiet. It's all in the doc. Safechuck thought it was love, not abuse. Even when Michael died, he still loved him.

And people are quick to forget that it was partly these guy's testimony on behalf of Michael that kept him out of prison in his other cases.

What kind of Mom, swear to a child that was molested by a grown ass man, not to reveal such a thing in a court of law.  That story in itself sounds off the charts crazy.  I cannot think of any parent caring if their child believes being molested by a grown ass man is OK.  Unless, MJ dropped some millions for them to keep quite that whole story doesn't hold up at all.

She said he bought them a house, too. After the 2003-2005 trial. Just like with the other documentary, "Abducted in Plain Sight", the alleged offender is dead. The parents are acting so innocent and naive (kinda like MJ) but they had to have some idea. They just gained from their child's suffering.

Again, let me reiterate that I'm a huge Michael Jackson fan. I don't think I will ever change--but I'm trying to stay open minded. A lot of people are like "Michael is Innocent and pure" while others are like "Michael is the devil". There truth is likely somewhere in the middle.



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DonFerrari on 15 March 2019
d21lewis said:
Machiavellian said:

What kind of Mom, swear to a child that was molested by a grown ass man, not to reveal such a thing in a court of law.  That story in itself sounds off the charts crazy.  I cannot think of any parent caring if their child believes being molested by a grown ass man is OK.  Unless, MJ dropped some millions for them to keep quite that whole story doesn't hold up at all.

She said he bought them a house, too. After the 2003-2005 trial. Just like with the other documentary, "Abducted in Plain Sight", the alleged offender is dead. The parents are acting so innocent and naive (kinda like MJ) but they had to have some idea. They just gained from their child's suffering.

Again, let me reiterate that I'm a huge Michael Jackson fan. I don't think I will ever change--but I'm trying to stay open minded. A lot of people are like "Michael is Innocent and pure" while others are like "Michael is the devil". There truth is likely somewhere in the middle.

Most here (VGC) have been middle ground on the "I don't think he did, or I think he did". Most that said he didn't accepted that his conduct was strange and that he likely had several mental issues. To be fair I haven't seem a single claim of he being a saint but saw 1 or 2 that he is a demon.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari on 15 March 2019
PortisheadBiscuit said:
DonFerrari said:
When will prosecutors sue the two for perjury? Because their claim now (real or not) contradicts what they testified under oath. Or have the allowed timewindow for the accusation ended?

I was wondering the same, but apparently sex abuse victims can recant their stories later without risking a perjury charge. 

They were testimony of their own sexual abuse? From what is being said here they were making testimony of MJ being a good person.

And I doubt it is a coincidering on the estatute.

Anyway I don't think I would allow my two child to sleep on the bed of someone I don't deeply know and trust. Even less someone that had been on trial for it. And even less a famous person as they usually are damaged good.

I know people hate "victim blaming" and if they as kid suffered abuse by MJ more than MJ I would blame and seek reparation from their parents for allowing it. As the 1B certainly isn't reparation as crime but a try to enrich.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

d21lewis on 15 March 2019
DonFerrari said:
d21lewis said:

She said he bought them a house, too. After the 2003-2005 trial. Just like with the other documentary, "Abducted in Plain Sight", the alleged offender is dead. The parents are acting so innocent and naive (kinda like MJ) but they had to have some idea. They just gained from their child's suffering.

Again, let me reiterate that I'm a huge Michael Jackson fan. I don't think I will ever change--but I'm trying to stay open minded. A lot of people are like "Michael is Innocent and pure" while others are like "Michael is the devil". There truth is likely somewhere in the middle.

Most here (VGC) have been middle ground on the "I don't think he did, or I think he did". Most that said he didn't accepted that his conduct was strange and that he likely had several mental issues. To be fair I haven't seem a single claim of he being a saint but saw 1 or 2 that he is a demon.

I'm having this same discussion on like three different social media platforms. You're right, though. VGC is probably the most level headed. Meanwhile the Facebook group that I'm in is going crazy! Mostly, I just check in on the comments here, leave and come back a few hours later. I'm not as active here.



Immersiveunreality on 16 March 2019

Paris,Prince,Blanket.
I feel sorry for his children having to go through this time and time again,it gets no rest,no end.



DonFerrari on 16 March 2019
d21lewis said:
DonFerrari said:

Most here (VGC) have been middle ground on the "I don't think he did, or I think he did". Most that said he didn't accepted that his conduct was strange and that he likely had several mental issues. To be fair I haven't seem a single claim of he being a saint but saw 1 or 2 that he is a demon.

I'm having this same discussion on like three different social media platforms. You're right, though. VGC is probably the most level headed. Meanwhile the Facebook group that I'm in is going crazy! Mostly, I just check in on the comments here, leave and come back a few hours later. I'm not as active here.

That is why I preffer VGC over other forums.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."