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"Leaving Neverland": Do you think Michael Jackson is Innocent?

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Thriller and Invincible or Bad and Dangerous

Good guy, wrongly accused 54 51.43%
 
Talented Bad guy 28 26.67%
 
A little of both. 23 21.90%
 
Total:105
PortisheadBiscuit said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

Why is there such a large thread here for someone who fucked little kids? Lets not become pedo apologists like Resetera.

What a disgusting drive by post

The only thing that is disgusting is watching people make excuses for a man who preyed on children. “Oh but he had a rough childhood!” and “he never got to be a kid!” among others. Neither of those excuse the shit he did. Things that any grown man doing it today and there’s be an uproar. But it’s Michael Jackson. It’s no different than a room full of millionaire celebrities giving Roman Polanski a standing ovation. Sick.

And it’s not drive by either. I posted in this thread months ago. Just weird that it’s still going. 



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LudicrousSpeed said:
PortisheadBiscuit said:

What a disgusting drive by post

The only thing that is disgusting is watching people make excuses for a man who preyed on children. “Oh but he had a rough childhood!” and “he never got to be a kid!” among others. Neither of those excuse the shit he did. Things that any grown man doing it today and there’s be an uproar. But it’s Michael Jackson. It’s no different than a room full of millionaire celebrities giving Roman Polanski a standing ovation. Sick.

And it’s not drive by either. I posted in this thread months ago. Just weird that it’s still going. 

If you want to believe he's guilty that's one thing, but calling people "pedophiles apologists" because they choose to believe facts in his favor is definitely odd. The man is dead, so people believing what they will wont change anything. 

Also, you really think people are basing their opinions of him being innocent on simple rhetoric like "he was never allowed to be a kid"? There's plenty of damning evidence against his accusers, accusers family, Tom Sneddon etc; 



If you look at his childhood, it is clear that he was abused, physically, mentally and being part of the entertainment industry likely sexually as well. There is testimony that he was chemically castrated to keep his high voice. With that abuse he became a closet homosexual pedophile, victim and perpetrator cycle.

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numberwang said:

If you look at his childhood, it is clear that he was abused, physically, mentally and being part of the entertainment industry likely sexually as well. There is testimony that he was chemically castrated to keep his high voice. With that abuse he became a closet homosexual pedophile, victim and perpetrator cycle.

So your suggesting someone who's been castrated would still have sexual desires for children? The two conspiracy theories don't go together.



numberwang said:

If you look at his childhood, it is clear that he was abused, physically, mentally and being part of the entertainment industry likely sexually as well. There is testimony that he was chemically castrated to keep his high voice. With that abuse he became a closet homosexual pedophile, victim and perpetrator cycle.

Propaganda bullshit. He was taught by his vocal coach early on to speak with a high register to maintain his vocal range, and it worked; he kept his voice nearly identical throughout his life up until he died at 50.

Sometimes he would let it slip and you'd hear his normal voice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK7jcnZUcLU#t=0m16s

Singing with a "normal" register: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXmeyOI5cQ8

You're drunk if you actually think he sounds like a castrato.



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PortisheadBiscuit said:
numberwang said:

If you look at his childhood, it is clear that he was abused, physically, mentally and being part of the entertainment industry likely sexually as well. There is testimony that he was chemically castrated to keep his high voice. With that abuse he became a closet homosexual pedophile, victim and perpetrator cycle.

So your suggesting someone who's been castrated would still have sexual desires for children? The two conspiracy theories don't go together.

We are not talking about a surgical procedure here but some misused pills without medical supervision. I don't know how precisely this affected his libido but we can agree that it furthered his alienation from healthy sexuality.



  numberwang said:
PortisheadBiscuit said:

So your suggesting someone who's been castrated would still have sexual desires for children? The two conspiracy theories don't go together.

We are not talking about a surgical procedure here but some misused pills without medical supervision. I don't know how precisely this affected his libido but we can agree that it furthered his alienation from healthy sexuality.

You're making bold claims without any evidence other than hearsay. What is 'healthy sexuality'? 



PortisheadBiscuit said:
  numberwang said:

We are not talking about a surgical procedure here but some misused pills without medical supervision. I don't know how precisely this affected his libido but we can agree that it furthered his alienation from healthy sexuality.

You're making bold claims without any evidence other than hearsay. What is 'healthy sexuality'? 

Evidence is the testimony from MJ’s personal doctor, cardiologist Conrad Murray. He gave specific details how this was done.

https://www.amazon.com/This-Secret-Conrad-Michael-Jackson-ebook/dp/B01ILI40SU

Do I have to spell out how MJ behavior was not healthy sexuality?

I am very skeptical that one can train a vice to remain at that high level after puberty. I never heard of such a training before. Why did they surgically create castratos in the past if you can just train your voice?



numberwang said:
PortisheadBiscuit said:

You're making bold claims without any evidence other than hearsay. What is 'healthy sexuality'? 

I am very skeptical that one can train a vice to remain at that high level after puberty. I never heard of such a training before. Why did they surgically create castratos in the past if you can just train your voice?

Did you even listen to the videos? I'd say those qualify as average male vocal pitch.



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numberwang said:
PortisheadBiscuit said:

You're making bold claims without any evidence other than hearsay. What is 'healthy sexuality'? 

Evidence is the testimony from MJ’s personal doctor, cardiologist Conrad Murray. He gave specific details how this was done.

https://www.amazon.com/This-Secret-Conrad-Michael-Jackson-ebook/dp/B01ILI40SU

Do I have to spell out how MJ behavior was not healthy sexuality?

I am very skeptical that one can train a vice to remain at that high level after puberty. I never heard of such a training before. Why did they surgically create castratos in the past if you can just train your voice?

Conrad Murray?? The 'Doctor' who was administering the drugs that ultimately killed Michael?? Yeah, so credible..

What behavior are you referring to? His on stage persona? He was eclectic and flamboyant, as are many entertainers. Not sure how that correlates to 'healthy sexuality'...  Any of the other bizarre behaviors he exhibited (plastic surgery, hyperbaric chambers, peter pan syndrome etc) are unrelated to sexuality.