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"Leaving Neverland": Do you think Michael Jackson is Innocent?

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Good guy, wrongly accused 54 51.43%
 
Talented Bad guy 28 26.67%
 
A little of both. 23 21.90%
 
Total:105

Does the doc have any hard evidence?



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Like I said in the op, I loved Michael. Even cried when he died. This documentary about a person I've never physically met--probably never even been in the same State as--has really messed with me. Even if it's anecdotal, there's just too much that ties together. Too much that fits with things from past cases and things his family members have said.
I think everyone involved is lying to some degree but even liars sometimes speak the truth. In any case, I fear a part of history has died.

It's happened before of course but the documentary is laid out in such a compelling and convincing way. I'm just scouring the internet for information to convince myself that what I now believe is untrue.

Maybe I'm easily manipulated. Maybe we all are.



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I'm somewhat conflicted:

Did he have an inappropriate relationship with children? Whichever way you want to slice it, yes! Even if none of it was sexual, sharing a bed with children who are not your own isn't okay......but why are we not making a documentary on the parents who allowed this to happen? As a father myself, my daughter is allowed to spend the night with four people, all of which are her grandparents. Once those allegations came to the surface, in 1993, that should have been enough for any decent parent. In my humble opinion, it would be like allowing your child to spend the night with somebody on a watchdog list. Putting your kid in potential harm's way because the potential predator is worth millions of dollars? That's beyond evil!

However, there needs to be concrete evidence. The accuser should always be taken seriously, yes, but we're also talking about a man who can no longer defend himself, and there is nobody left to ruin. If he did do it, then people shouldn't look the other way, but.....honestly, I don't know. It does suck because I'm trying not to be biased as a result of having grown up with his music, but these allegations have been impossible to ignore. If this were just about money, I'm sure that these would not be isolated accusations. In the world of music, precious few have been accused of having inappropriate relationships with children:

-Ted Nugent (supposedly became the legal guardian of his seventeen year old girlfriend when he was thirty, and was accused of sleeping with girls as young as thirteen. He even wrote a song called Jailbait where he talks about seducing a thirteen year old girl).
-The members of Led Zeppelin (they supposedly were screwing around with girls as young as thirteen).
-Elvis (Priscilla, if I remember correctly, was around fourteen years old when she became romantically involved with Elvis).
-Jerry Lee Lewis (married his thirteen year old cousin).
-Gary Glitter (ho, boy. If you want your stomach turned, google his story).

Michael did himself no favors by agreeing to do Martin Bashir's Living With Michael Jackson interview. He basically damned himself by admitting that he slept with children who were not his. Also, if I remember correctly, that's around the time when we started hearing rumblings about Jesus Juice.



TBH i'm somehow convinced he was asexual and shown abnormal interest in kids because he stopped growing up after getting famous like most celebrities.
Haven't seen a documentary on him tho, I'm not invested enough in the subject.



I don’t know and honestly don’t care since he is gone

But his music , I believe art must not be erased or forgotten

 

 

if he is genuinely bad, he sure was a smooth criminal



    

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Wasn't proven guilty in court after an FBI investigation. I don't do trial by Netflix.



ironmanDX said:
foodfather said:


Yes, MJ is very odd and probably attracted to children but is not the monster they are making him out to be.


Explain this further please.

Maybe the ''attracted'' part is wrong, but he did spend a lot of time kids and thats just very odd. Fascinated definitely, attracted probably not. He definitely did not molest anyone and if he did the accounts thus far are far from credible. Just look up the history of Wade Robson. 



Kerotan said:
Wasn't proven guilty in court after an FBI investigation. I don't do trial by Netflix.

I've seen similar comments on several YouTube videos and Facebook posts but, being a former cop, I've seen too many instances where the bad guy went free or made some deal. That didn't make them innocent. They find a wording error in a report or the victim doesn't want to push the issue anymore or the couple has reconciled or whatever.

 

They say "The FBI did a ten year investigation and didn't find any evidence" when in fact there was over 1,000 pieces of evidence. It all comes down to what a jury believes and, at the end of the day, decent people don't want an innocent man to be punished. Especially if they're directly responsibile for making that decision.

I don't sympthize with the "victims" either. Based on what they admit, they helped Michael Jackson beat his case, covered for him, and kept silent when they knew certain behaviors were still going on. If the documentary is even mostly accurate, they all can rot.



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I think the reason why he wanted to spend so much time with children is probably because he lost his own childhood from the immense super stardom he experienced at an early age. He perhaps felt that he missed out on something that almost everyone has?

Regardless, the man is dead and isn't here to defend himself, so it seems a bit wrong for people to come out of the woodwork and begin attacking him.



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I used to be in the "innocent" camp, solely because I like him as an artist.

I am not so sure anymore. I don't think I'll ever have a definitive answer.