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"Leaving Neverland": Do you think Michael Jackson is Innocent?

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Thriller and Invincible or Bad and Dangerous

Good guy, wrongly accused 54 51.43%
 
Talented Bad guy 28 26.67%
 
A little of both. 23 21.90%
 
Total:105

Seems like the tide is turning a bit and people are realizing what a fake the documentary was.



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Uh ohhhhh, spaghettiooooos!

https://www.nme.com/news/music/michael-jackson-biographer-exposes-wade-robson-james-safechucks-allegations-false-leaving-neverland-2469413

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Nintendo Switch in Japan (Famitsu): 2018 vs. 2019
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Dan Reed is just digging his career's own grave at this point.



There's no level of fatness on Gabriel Iglesias' scale big enough to describe how much of a joke this entire ordeal is turning into.



Pancho A. Ovies

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PlayStation 4/Xbox One/Nintendo Switch: 2018 vs. 2019
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He can't defend himself anymore.
Anyhow, I'm more willing to believe he was innocent, he gave me the impression he was just desperately trying, although with quirky and kitsch tastes, to live again the childhood his horrible, greedy father stole from him and his brothers, not trying to abuse other kids' one. A tormented soul, but not an evil one.



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Furthermore, he just wanted to give kids that joyful experience and childhood that he never got to experience. So, it was both selfish and selfless at the same time. True, his methods and how he presented himself raised many eyebrows, as to be expected, but his intentions were always pure.



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Forgot this thread existed but the documentary was aired yesterday in Finland for the first time on a show called Docventures. Didn't watch it yet though. They had a discussion afterwards and instead going back and forth whether Jackson is innocent or not, the documentary served as an introduction to discussion about sexual abuse towards children. The discussion helped many people seek help and talk about their experiences already.

I'd just like to point out that it's not out of ordinary that victims don't even realize they've been abused until they're grown up and/or something triggers their memories. They know something about them is broken but they don't know what it is, the brain blocks such traumatic events from their memory. Futhermore, it's unreasonable to expect victims to remember timelines or even locations clearly. Just think about some even from your childhood and try to remember an exact year it happened. Memories are quite unreliable. So all this "It couldn't have happened in 1993 everything is debunked and they're lying!!!!" is pretty disturbing stuff and will not do any good for others who are still silent about their suffering.

These people who now speak were children back then. Allegedly abused by someone close to them who they trusted. Someone who has millions of fans ready to defend him and shame the victim. Can you really blame them for inconsistencies in their statements?

Finding solid proof in cases like this is also very tricky as time has passed. More often than not it's words against words.



KiigelHeart said:
Forgot this thread existed but the documentary was aired yesterday in Finland for the first time on a show called Docventures. Didn't watch it yet though. They had a discussion afterwards and instead going back and forth whether Jackson is innocent or not, the documentary served as an introduction to discussion about sexual abuse towards children. The discussion helped many people seek help and talk about their experiences already.

I'd just like to point out that it's not out of ordinary that victims don't even realize they've been abused until they're grown up and/or something triggers their memories. They know something about them is broken but they don't know what it is, the brain blocks such traumatic events from their memory. Futhermore, it's unreasonable to expect victims to remember timelines or even locations clearly. Just think about some even from your childhood and try to remember an exact year it happened. Memories are quite unreliable. So all this "It couldn't have happened in 1993 everything is debunked and they're lying!!!!" is pretty disturbing stuff and will not do any good for others who are still silent about their suffering.

These people who now speak were children back then. Allegedly abused by someone close to them who they trusted. Someone who has millions of fans ready to defend him and shame the victim. Can you really blame them for inconsistencies in their statements?

Finding solid proof in cases like this is also very tricky as time has passed. More often than not it's words against words.

The problem is when people look to make money from such issues that causes people to question events.  I have seen people believe they were molested because someone kept telling them they were.  It's one thing to come out from years of abuse and want to set the situation straight, its another to seek a crap ton of money first.  The problem with this whole thing is that there is a crap ton of inconsistent information along with the fact they tried to sue the estate for a lot of money when they became broke.  It puts into question was everything about money more than actual incidents.

When all is said and done, trying to make a profit off of the situation will always cloud everything they say.  It they want to be creditable then first not seek the money but instead set the situation first.  Either way, they have a chance to make their case only after the man is dead and cannot defend himself which also taints their case.



The age of consent is 13 or 14 in some Asian and European nations. Michael Jackson thought he was above the law and he got away with it and he was never convicted during his life time. If an offender was seduced or had consent, could it be a defense against these types of charges? Cardinal George Pell a well respected high ranking member of the Catholic Church and the Pope's finance man in the Vatican, was brought to justice and showed to the world that no one is above the law. It was proven the Pell did not consent nor was he seduced by the boys, he took advantage of his position and was opportunistic and brazenly denied the allegations.



Dark_Lord_2008 said:
The age of consent is 13 or 14 in some Asian and European nations. Michael Jackson thought he was above the law 

Got proof or is this just nonsense made up by you?



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Peh said:
Dark_Lord_2008 said:
The age of consent is 13 or 14 in some Asian and European nations. Michael Jackson thought he was above the law 

Got proof or is this just nonsense made up by you?

His critics called Jackson out for appearing to be above the law. Celebrities are protected and have top lawyers and appear to be above the law and they can get away with a lot more things than the normal citizens of this world. Celebrities get lighter sentences or get off for crimes that anyone else would get prison time.