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"Leaving Neverland": Do you think Michael Jackson is Innocent?

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Thriller and Invincible or Bad and Dangerous

Good guy, wrongly accused 54 51.43%
 
Talented Bad guy 28 26.67%
 
A little of both. 23 21.90%
 
Total:105
LudicrousSpeed said:
Chris Hu said:

You need to do some more research they actually never found any nude images of children in his house the only thing they found is a tabletop book with semi nude boys in it and that book was a best seller so many people actually own that same book. 

lol they found photos of nude and partially clothed kids in sexually suggestive poses and even photos of nude/partially clothed adults in sexual poses but kids faces were put on the adult bodies. Stuff that is fucking creepy but at the time wasn’t classified as actual child pornography. 

Not going to post in here any more, MJ apologists are never going to listen to logic or reason.

First bolded: please give us a good source on that if you have it and i mean a source and not a newsarticle.At the time stuff like that was not classified as child pornography and even now it would not be classified as child pornography and it is not even close but i wont say it isnt twisted.

Second bolded: Dont use the apologists term to think you have the moral highground,there are lots of people who just stand in-between.



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Wasn't Latoya accusing her own brother of the same wrong doings at one point? Child erotica was found in his house? MJ never denied inviting children to his bed?

Too much smoke along the years. We really didn't need this documentary to question his innocence.



LurkerJ said:
Wasn't Latoya accusing her own brother of the same wrong doings at one point? Child erotica was found in his house? MJ never denied inviting children to his bed?

Too much smoke along the years. We really didn't need this documentary to question his innocence.

Yes, but she recanted her accusations after getting out of an abusive relationship with her then husband Jack Gordon.



LurkerJ said:
Wasn't Latoya accusing her own brother of the same wrong doings at one point? Child erotica was found in his house? MJ never denied inviting children to his bed?

Too much smoke along the years. We really didn't need this documentary to question his innocence.

La Toya recanted those accusations a loooooooong time ago and even went into detail in her own book, Starting Over, the nature behind them, led by her ex-husband, manager, and alleged abuser Jack Gordon. Furthermore, she claimed that Gordon, through his alleged connections to the mafia, threatened to have Michael killed if she didn't obey his orders and do exactly as he said. 

"Before I had time to even collect myself, Gordon pushed me out of the car into an explosion of blazing flashbulbs as eager paparazzi jostled for position and shouted my name... Even as I began to read, I still didn't know what I was saying, but I did now that, whatever it was, if I didn't read it properly, the way Gordon wanted me to, he was going to hurt me. Then, with horror, as I was speaking, I realized that the statement was about Michael. It wasn't the positive message I had been preaching in public about the allegations against Michael. It was the worst possible thing I could say about a person who was innocent, and I knew Michael was innocent. But Gordon didn't care. He was thrilled to see Michael's image sullied in this way... I truly believed that if I didn't say what I had been told to say, Gordon and his mob buddies would surely kill Michael. Gordon had drilled this threat into me, again and again, until I knew it to be true." - pg. 97-98.

Furthermore, she claimed how Gordon tried to sell statements to the press that La Toya herself had evidence against her own brother that he did it.

"After leaving Gordon, I found out that he made statements in the press that suggested I had evidence that proved the allegations true and demanded $500,000 in payment for what I claimed to know. It was absolutely horrible to me that he would profit off my brother, and particularly during such a low point in Michael's life. Gordon's dream deal fell through after a brief bidding war between several UK and American tabloids when they realized Gordon was lying and had nothing to reveal." - pg. 102. 

Plus, she even gave her own suspicions as to why they settled the civil case out of court.

"Bert Fields, as well as Michael, and the private investigator on the case, Anthony Pellicano, wanted very much to fight to prove Michael's innocence. Michael was actually looking forward to his court date, which would have been March 21, 1994. According to Michael, it was John Branca's idea not to take the case to trial, but to settle it instead. Michael always regretted that, because the settlement made Michael appear guilty of those horrific charges. What I didn't know then was that, at the same time, Branca's law firm also represented Michael's label, Sony, which was desperate to get its hands on Michael's music publishing catalog. That seemed like a clear conflict of interest to me. As Michael's music publishing started to grow, everyone wanted a piece of it, and how convenient would it be if Michael was convicted of child molestation charges? He would not only serve prison time, but his damaged reputation would ruin him, bankrupt him, and make it likely he would have to sell his prized possession, his music catalog. Obviously, because I was his sister, if I came out in support of the allegations, it made them more likely to stick. And even without a conviction, his ruined reputation could still have forced him to sell." - pg. 99.

Now whether or not you take her word for it is up to you. But this is an explanation as to why she would make those claims in the first place that she recanted and apologized profusely (or tried to anyways, pg. 243) to Michael when they reunited and stood right by his side during the 2005 criminal trial, where he was acquitted of all 14 counts. 

As for child erotica, the closest thing the FBI found to that was a photobook (which I posted earlier in this thread) titled Boys Will Be Boys that was, (and still is) publically available for purchase (albeit now, mostly from 3rd party sellers who are scalping them for absurd prices, but still for sale nonetheless).  https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B000OREMI0/ref=tmm_hrd_used_olp_sr?ie=UTF8&condition=used&qid=1553641634&sr=1-5

Yeah, Michael never denied have kids sleep in his bedroom... his duplex-sized, 2-story bedroom with 3 bathrooms and is probably around the size of my uncle's house, which is also 2 stories and has 3 bathrooms.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeQFGT5Jbgo

He has openly admitted to having kids sleep in that gargantuan bedroom... as well as their parents and their entire families.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aa5MLu-3isk (7:59 - 8:24 mark)

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Pancho A. Ovies

Nintendo Switch in Japan (Famitsu): 2018 vs. 2019
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=238945&page=2

PlayStation 4/Xbox One/Nintendo Switch: 2018 vs. 2019
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=239387

Razorfist is interviewing Taj and Brandi Jackson and AngryJoe is in the comment section talking about how MJ is innocent. Not proof of anything but it's kinda interesting for anyone who wants to watch.



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LurkerJ said:
Wasn't Latoya accusing her own brother of the same wrong doings at one point? Child erotica was found in his house? MJ never denied inviting children to his bed?

Too much smoke along the years. We really didn't need this documentary to question his innocence.

"Child erotica"? So now we're just making things up? lol 



As AngryLittleAlchemist stated, Razorfist is back, and this time he's not alone. He's got Taj and Brandi Jackson (Michael's nephew and niece) in tow. Where they continue making waves and giving their two cents on the documentary and address the renewed allegations. Including Brandi talking about how she and Wade Robson had been in a relationship for at least 7 years and that it was actually Michael himself who paired them together, many of the various timetable discrepancies with Robson and Safechuck's stories, response to the reception of the documentary and the differences between America and Europe's reception, their own personal stories of their Uncle Michael, etc.

Furthermore, Taj Jackson is fundraising his own documentary series that will serve as a direct counter to Leaving Neverland, as well as, the 1993 allegations, the 1994 settlement, and the 2005 trial. The whole 9 yards. His goal is to raise $777k for the project and he is currently at around $108k and for those of you questioning why he is doing a fundraiser when he could easily get funding elsewhere, he explains his reasoning for doing so in the description. It is completely independent and separate from the Michael Jackson Estate. It is a project he is doing on his own accord and out of the necessity, principal, and drive of a nephew to defend the name, legacy, and innocence of his passed uncle.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/untitled-michael-jackson-documentary-series

"Lies run sprints, but the truth runs marathons." - Michael Jackson

Last edited by PAOerfulone - on 28 March 2019

Pancho A. Ovies

Nintendo Switch in Japan (Famitsu): 2018 vs. 2019
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=238945&page=2

PlayStation 4/Xbox One/Nintendo Switch: 2018 vs. 2019
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=239387

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/entertainment/celebrity/leaving-neverland-director-makes-embarrassing-14221624




I don't know if MJ did or didn't do whatever he's accused of. At first I was pretty convinced. Since then I've watched hours of footage, interviews, concerts, etc and at this point, I just don't care about the controversy anymore. I'm a blind fan. If there's something concrete, I'll jump back on board the train but for now, I will accept MJ as the jellybean we thought he was.

That jellybean thing is from Rick and Morty, btw.



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Here is a actual credible article about what they found in MJ's house it also shows how some sites manipulated what was found to make it seem worse then what it was:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/no-child-porn-found-at-neverland-thenor-now-the_b_577fdfbce4b0f06648f4a3f8