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Forums - General Discussion - "Leaving Neverland": Do you think Michael Jackson is Innocent?

 

Thriller and Invincible or Bad and Dangerous

Good guy, wrongly accused 55 51.89%
 
Talented Bad guy 28 26.42%
 
A little of both. 23 21.70%
 
Total:106
maxleresistant said:
I think at this point I prefer to not give an opinion.
I let people debating about it.

Although I would argue a few things that nobody is saying/hear :
-if those guys are lying, they are the best actors I ever saw
-During a Joe Rogan podcast with Ben Anderson (a legitimate war reporter suffering of PTSD), Anderson said he met one of the two alleged victims, and that he believes him and that his opinion is that the guy suffers from PTSD. After listening to him for 3 hours, I would say that the guy knows what his talking about, that he is not the kind of guy you can fooled, and that he seems like genuine, honest guy.
-that interview of Michael Jackson where he is with a kid and talks about sleeping in the same bed as kids freaked me f*ck out enough to know that the guy really was crazy.

But bro, he wrote Thriller. Plus some random MJ fansite posted some nasty stuff about the pedophile victims. I refuse to believe this adult man who slept with, drugged, dressed up, and fake married ever actually did anything sexual with them. All the nude images of children found in his house were artsy in nature so that makes them ok. Plus he never had a real childhood! That explains everything I said above.



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LudicrousSpeed said:
maxleresistant said:
I think at this point I prefer to not give an opinion.
I let people debating about it.

Although I would argue a few things that nobody is saying/hear :
-if those guys are lying, they are the best actors I ever saw
-During a Joe Rogan podcast with Ben Anderson (a legitimate war reporter suffering of PTSD), Anderson said he met one of the two alleged victims, and that he believes him and that his opinion is that the guy suffers from PTSD. After listening to him for 3 hours, I would say that the guy knows what his talking about, that he is not the kind of guy you can fooled, and that he seems like genuine, honest guy.
-that interview of Michael Jackson where he is with a kid and talks about sleeping in the same bed as kids freaked me f*ck out enough to know that the guy really was crazy.

But bro, he wrote Thriller. Plus some random MJ fansite posted some nasty stuff about the pedophile victims. I refuse to believe this adult man who slept with, drugged, dressed up, and fake married ever actually did anything sexual with them. All the nude images of children found in his house were artsy in nature so that makes them ok. Plus he never had a real childhood! That explains everything I said above.

You need to do some more research they actually never found any nude images of children in his house the only thing they found is a tabletop book with semi nude boys in it and that book was a best seller so many people actually own that same book. 



Chris Hu said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

But bro, he wrote Thriller. Plus some random MJ fansite posted some nasty stuff about the pedophile victims. I refuse to believe this adult man who slept with, drugged, dressed up, and fake married ever actually did anything sexual with them. All the nude images of children found in his house were artsy in nature so that makes them ok. Plus he never had a real childhood! That explains everything I said above.

You need to do some more research they actually never found any nude images of children in his house the only thing they found is a tabletop book with semi nude boys in it and that book was a best seller so many people actually own that same book. 

lol they found photos of nude and partially clothed kids in sexually suggestive poses and even photos of nude/partially clothed adults in sexual poses but kids faces were put on the adult bodies. Stuff that is fucking creepy but at the time wasn’t classified as actual child pornography. 

Not going to post in here any more, MJ apologists are never going to listen to logic or reason.



LudicrousSpeed said:
Chris Hu said:

You need to do some more research they actually never found any nude images of children in his house the only thing they found is a tabletop book with semi nude boys in it and that book was a best seller so many people actually own that same book. 

lol they found photos of nude and partially clothed kids in sexually suggestive poses and even photos of nude/partially clothed adults in sexual poses but kids faces were put on the adult bodies. Stuff that is fucking creepy but at the time wasn’t classified as actual child pornography.

Any specifics? Genuinely curious.



LudicrousSpeed said:
Chris Hu said:

You need to do some more research they actually never found any nude images of children in his house the only thing they found is a tabletop book with semi nude boys in it and that book was a best seller so many people actually own that same book. 

lol they found photos of nude and partially clothed kids in sexually suggestive poses and even photos of nude/partially clothed adults in sexual poses but kids faces were put on the adult bodies. Stuff that is fucking creepy but at the time wasn’t classified as actual child pornography. 

Not going to post in here any more, MJ apologists are never going to listen to logic or reason.

First bolded: please give us a good source on that if you have it and i mean a source and not a newsarticle.At the time stuff like that was not classified as child pornography and even now it would not be classified as child pornography and it is not even close but i wont say it isnt twisted.

Second bolded: Dont use the apologists term to think you have the moral highground,there are lots of people who just stand in-between.



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Wasn't Latoya accusing her own brother of the same wrong doings at one point? Child erotica was found in his house? MJ never denied inviting children to his bed?

Too much smoke along the years. We really didn't need this documentary to question his innocence.



LurkerJ said:
Wasn't Latoya accusing her own brother of the same wrong doings at one point? Child erotica was found in his house? MJ never denied inviting children to his bed?

Too much smoke along the years. We really didn't need this documentary to question his innocence.

Yes, but she recanted her accusations after getting out of an abusive relationship with her then husband Jack Gordon.



LurkerJ said:
Wasn't Latoya accusing her own brother of the same wrong doings at one point? Child erotica was found in his house? MJ never denied inviting children to his bed?

Too much smoke along the years. We really didn't need this documentary to question his innocence.

La Toya recanted those accusations a loooooooong time ago and even went into detail in her own book, Starting Over, the nature behind them, led by her ex-husband, manager, and alleged abuser Jack Gordon. Furthermore, she claimed that Gordon, through his alleged connections to the mafia, threatened to have Michael killed if she didn't obey his orders and do exactly as he said. 

"Before I had time to even collect myself, Gordon pushed me out of the car into an explosion of blazing flashbulbs as eager paparazzi jostled for position and shouted my name... Even as I began to read, I still didn't know what I was saying, but I did now that, whatever it was, if I didn't read it properly, the way Gordon wanted me to, he was going to hurt me. Then, with horror, as I was speaking, I realized that the statement was about Michael. It wasn't the positive message I had been preaching in public about the allegations against Michael. It was the worst possible thing I could say about a person who was innocent, and I knew Michael was innocent. But Gordon didn't care. He was thrilled to see Michael's image sullied in this way... I truly believed that if I didn't say what I had been told to say, Gordon and his mob buddies would surely kill Michael. Gordon had drilled this threat into me, again and again, until I knew it to be true." - pg. 97-98.

Furthermore, she claimed how Gordon tried to sell statements to the press that La Toya herself had evidence against her own brother that he did it.

"After leaving Gordon, I found out that he made statements in the press that suggested I had evidence that proved the allegations true and demanded $500,000 in payment for what I claimed to know. It was absolutely horrible to me that he would profit off my brother, and particularly during such a low point in Michael's life. Gordon's dream deal fell through after a brief bidding war between several UK and American tabloids when they realized Gordon was lying and had nothing to reveal." - pg. 102. 

Plus, she even gave her own suspicions as to why they settled the civil case out of court.

"Bert Fields, as well as Michael, and the private investigator on the case, Anthony Pellicano, wanted very much to fight to prove Michael's innocence. Michael was actually looking forward to his court date, which would have been March 21, 1994. According to Michael, it was John Branca's idea not to take the case to trial, but to settle it instead. Michael always regretted that, because the settlement made Michael appear guilty of those horrific charges. What I didn't know then was that, at the same time, Branca's law firm also represented Michael's label, Sony, which was desperate to get its hands on Michael's music publishing catalog. That seemed like a clear conflict of interest to me. As Michael's music publishing started to grow, everyone wanted a piece of it, and how convenient would it be if Michael was convicted of child molestation charges? He would not only serve prison time, but his damaged reputation would ruin him, bankrupt him, and make it likely he would have to sell his prized possession, his music catalog. Obviously, because I was his sister, if I came out in support of the allegations, it made them more likely to stick. And even without a conviction, his ruined reputation could still have forced him to sell." - pg. 99.

Now whether or not you take her word for it is up to you. But this is an explanation as to why she would make those claims in the first place that she recanted and apologized profusely (or tried to anyways, pg. 243) to Michael when they reunited and stood right by his side during the 2005 criminal trial, where he was acquitted of all 14 counts. 

As for child erotica, the closest thing the FBI found to that was a photobook (which I posted earlier in this thread) titled Boys Will Be Boys that was, (and still is) publically available for purchase (albeit now, mostly from 3rd party sellers who are scalping them for absurd prices, but still for sale nonetheless).  https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B000OREMI0/ref=tmm_hrd_used_olp_sr?ie=UTF8&condition=used&qid=1553641634&sr=1-5

Yeah, Michael never denied have kids sleep in his bedroom... his duplex-sized, 2-story bedroom with 3 bathrooms and is probably around the size of my uncle's house, which is also 2 stories and has 3 bathrooms.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeQFGT5Jbgo

He has openly admitted to having kids sleep in that gargantuan bedroom... as well as their parents and their entire families.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aa5MLu-3isk (7:59 - 8:24 mark)

Last edited by PAOerfulone - on 26 March 2019

Razorfist is interviewing Taj and Brandi Jackson and AngryJoe is in the comment section talking about how MJ is innocent. Not proof of anything but it's kinda interesting for anyone who wants to watch.



LurkerJ said:
Wasn't Latoya accusing her own brother of the same wrong doings at one point? Child erotica was found in his house? MJ never denied inviting children to his bed?

Too much smoke along the years. We really didn't need this documentary to question his innocence.

"Child erotica"? So now we're just making things up? lol