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Why Sony's Take-Two Aquisition RUMOR seems possible now?

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DonFerrari said:
Would they sell more consoles with TakeTwo exclusivity? Yes. Would they make more money buying than not buying? Unlikely.

^This

 

This has been my point from the start.  No matter how good it looks on paper for them, it would be a far cry to break even alone with this acquisition.



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lightningfunk said:
twintail said:
Why wouldnt Sony just go for a cheaper company like Capcom ?

you serious?

Sure

Kerotan said:
twintail said:
Why wouldnt Sony just go for a cheaper company like Capcom ?

Nah they'll save buying Capcom for the PS6. Square Enix too. 

May as well add Konami or Namco



lightningfunk said:

Sip

I know you seem really passionate about this move, but its not as good as it sounds in reality. 

1st - Sony already make a fortune with Take-Two as it is with the giant sales on PS platforms.. so the money isn't that much greater than if they went out brought them which would be considered a lot of money for Sony to spend as a corporation. Not only do you choke hold the games from Take-Two which means Take-Two sell less units overall, it means the profits wont be as high as they are now. 

2nd - You never buy companies when there at there peak which would be the case here thanks to Rockstar etc. Its corporate suicide to spend so much at such a peak time. They need to play is smart and wait for companies to devalue than you jump on board. Look at MS and the studios they brought, they didn't just go out and buy the biggest studios in the world at there very best, they brought what would have been good prices and talent for the money. So the companies under them can gain value and grow over the course of being successful which will increase MS stocks. Take-Two is already extremely successful so there value as a company wont go up as much, but they can drop extremely low if mistakes happen or they fall apart. 

3rd - Its a giant slap in the face to the industry and gamers alike who play there games, we are not talking about 1 or 2 million gamers missing out here, we are talking about the likes of 40m+ GTA fans missing out due to this idea. That's not a good image to have. And definitely not a good financial one either. We know Sony well enough now that anything they own will be locked, they wont share it with others, maybe PC.. big maybe.. Unless Sony do what MS do with Minecraft and make the big games multiplat so they can make the most amount of profit to earn back there spending's. But its Sony, I highly doubt they would.

4th - You don't make these big purchases on the brim of a new generation especially when the competition is going to be fierce. Don't expect Xbox to fall over the starter line next gen and don't expect Nintendo to make another WiiU mistake. Next gen is going to be big for all 3 as it looks promising on all sides. Take-Two joining Sony sounds good only on Paper but if the next Xbox outsells the next Playstation console or even if its on Par or close than Take-Two already lost in the deal because the more customers the industry has = more sales potential they could have earned overall, but not if you are tied to one or two platforms.



While I understand why people would think PS would surely make Take Two titles exclusive, based on the sheer amount of investment this would require, I can only assume if this has truth to it that PS would simply own the rights but would leave things as they are now. Take Two games would likely come with some sort of PS exclusivity, but they would land on all platforms. At least until the investment was paid off, but I think PS would keep it multi platform as long as they weren't in dire need of reviving their platform.

While Take Two is on a high and it's not the greatest time to purchase them in terms of cost, if they ever hit what could be considered to be a low point, that's when SNY would end up getting into a bidding war with other interested parties. Since that would likely mean problems of some sort at Take Two, why pay half or more at that point in time for a fixer upper, when you could purchase a well oiled machine ready to drive off the lot for not all that much more in comparison? Especially considering the lack of headaches and hassle right now and money printers they both have. Is it better to potentially lose Take Two altogether in the future, or pay a high price for them now?

If by chance SNY wanted to also squash the anti consumer light that's been cast on them, like with Fortnite, buying Take Two and announcing it's available to all platforms would at least set them back to zero if not make them hero's to some. It also allows them to basically nullify the MS acquisitions with one big purchase and announcement. It would also be a warning to MS in a way, that for every so many small devs they take off the open market, PS will remove a behemoth. This will either make MS push in the clutch, or will force them to go big as well, likely leaving the little guys alone.

There's downsides and upsides to a deal like this, but based on both companies past, what competitors are doing now, and the future of the industry, I wouldn't doubt talks of some sort have at the very least taken place, and almost certainly initiated by PS. Unless MS approached Take Two first already and their playing the field.



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Azzanation said:

I know you seem really passionate about this move, but its not as good as it sounds in reality. 

i'm not passionate,just saying it could be a good deal

1st - Sony already make a fortune with Take-Two as it is with the giant sales on PS platforms.. so the money isn't that much greater than if they went out brought them which would be considered a lot of money for Sony to spend as a corporation. Not only do you choke hold the games from Take-Two which means Take-Two sell less units overall, it means the profits wont be as high as they are now. 

Sony's profits will be more as they would sell more consoles and more software

Look at MS and the studios they brought, they didn't just go out and buy the biggest studios in the world at there very best, they brought what would have been good prices and talent for the money. So the companies under them can gain value and grow over the course of being successful which will increase MS stocks. Take-Two is already extremely successful so there value as a company wont go up as much, but they can drop extremely low if mistakes happen or they fall apart. 

if XBOX ONE sold as well as PS4,they would be doing the same deal

hell they paid big for GTA4 exclusivity deal and Final Fantasy and Metal Gear

3rd - Its a giant slap in the face to the industry and gamers alike who play there games, we are not talking about 1 or 2 million gamers missing out here, we are talking about the likes of 40m+ GTA fans missing out due to this idea. That's not a good image to have. And definitely not a good financial one either. We know Sony well enough now that anything they own will be locked, they wont share it with others, maybe PC.. big maybe.. Unless Sony do what MS do with Minecraft and make the big games multiplat so they can make the most amount of profit to earn back there spending's. But its Sony, I highly doubt they would.

SONY would not do what MS did with Microsoft.Hell if Minecraft wouldn't have been released on PS4 and PC before MS  acquired it,it wouldn't have been on PS4

And MS's move with Minecraft on PS4 and Cross Platform is not because of its kindness but because it is losing the console battle 

And,Slap in the face of gamers doesn't matter.Corporations and Businesses don't run on kindness but you aggressive Business strategy and Profits GTA6 would still sell 50-60million copies easily and rest will be compensated by SONY's higher hardware and software sales
 

4th - You don't make these big purchases on the brim of a new generation especially when the competition is going to be fierce.

thats exactly what you do with competition being fierce,you're talking completely opposite

Don't expect Xbox to fall over the starter line next gen

i don't expect it but don't expect PS4 or Wii's numbers either straightaway

and don't expect Nintendo to make another WiiU mistake.

Nintendo make a WiiU mistake or not,they are not in direct competition with PlayStation or XBOX

but if the next Xbox outsells the next Playstation console or even if its on Par or close than Take-Two already lost in the deal because the more customers the industry has = more sales potential they could have earned overall, but not if you are tied to one or two platforms.

if TAKE-TWO is part of SONY,they don't lose anything,they will not lose any sales as they will already be part of another company.You really don't understand transfer of ownership and risk.

Take-Two will cease to exist if they are acquired by SONY so stop talking about Take-Two losing this or that

 



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I fail to see why any of the first parties would ever waste their money buying an entire publisher like this, and it's even more mind boggling to think that some gamers were actually rooting for such a thing. Buying individual studios to encorporate into a first party brand is one thing, but a publisher like take two already has the means and the infrastructure to put out games however they want. Sony buying them whole would, on top of the insane upfront expense, just result in a bunch of redundant positions and departments that would need "restructuring". Add to that the fact that all of take two's games already release on Playstation consoles and they'd basically be paying multiplied billions of dollars just to keep the games off other platforms. It'd be like the most expensive moneyhat in history. Stupid.



twintail said:
lightningfunk said:

you serious?

Sure

Kerotan said:

Nah they'll save buying Capcom for the PS6. Square Enix too. 

May as well add Konami or Namco

This reminds me of the times when everyone thought Sony or Nintendo were going to buy Capcom, back when they were having finantial troubles. Or when Atlus was bought by Sega. At the end of the day, 3rd party studios staying 3rd parties is always a good thing, multiplatforms benefits everyone.



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lightningfunk said:

Sip

You really don't understand, Competition plays a big roll and it doesn't matter if Nintendo is in direct competition with PS and Xbox or not, That has nothing to do with the potential sales for Take-Two. The Switch is a platform that can make Take-Two money so again limiting Take-Two to just one platform makes little to no sense. 

You still fail to understand the point, what's in it for Take-Two? Why do they need to be brought out? They make billions without the need of sharing there profits with anyone else but themselves. As you mention before, all profits that will be made will be Sony's not Take-Twos so again what's in it for Take-Two? Now in case you don't understand and get your knickers in a twist, ill explain where I am coming from. If you are the CEO of Take-Two, you are earning bucket loads of money as GTAV continues to rake in for your company. Now if Sony brought Take-Two, that means all the profits the CEO and management is earning will have to now be shared with Sony so Take-Two and its employees earn less money overall as they will be forced to give a % of all there income to there mother company. So that's why I continue to ask what's in it for Take-Two?

Take-Two don't need to be brought out, they are doing just fine and there is no need for them to be limited and bent to Sony's will, or anyone's for that matter. They continue to make the most amount of money the way they are and that's thanks to the industry not just Sony. If this deal was true and actually happened, its more for the money hatting rather than actually making money, and that's not a good look to go into next gen with, especially now with Nintendo and Xbox starting to share eco-systems and the industry becoming more friendly with other platforms like mobile etc.  



Azzanation said:

You really don't understand, Competition plays a big roll and it doesn't matter if Nintendo is in direct competition with PS and Xbox or not, That has nothing to do with the potential sales for Take-Two. The Switch is a platform that can make Take-Two money so again limiting Take-Two to just one platform makes little to no sense. 

can you tell me how much money Take-Two makes on Nintendo platforms? - not that much

You still fail to understand the point, what's in it for Take-Two? Why do they need to be brought out? They make billions without the need of sharing there profits with anyone else but themselves. As you mention before, all profits that will be made will be Sony's not Take-Twos so again what's in it for Take-Two? Now in case you don't understand and get your knickers in a twist, ill explain where I am coming from. If you are the CEO of Take-Two, you are earning bucket loads of money as GTAV continues to rake in for your company. Now if Sony brought Take-Two, that means all the profits the CEO and management is earning will have to now be shared with Sony so Take-Two and its employees earn less money overall as they will be forced to give a % of all there income to there mother company. So that's why I continue to ask what's in it for Take-Two?

they won't be shared,stop saying that word.do you even know the meaning?

there will be no profits from there on out for Take-Two CEO and its employees will still earn the same,Acquisitions don't have much to do with the employee salaries

the only point i agree here is that Take-Two already make alot of money so there is no point selling but Business sales happen so that the original owners don't have the burden of managing the business anymore and they get paid for the valuation of the business

especially now with Nintendo and Xbox starting to share eco-systems and the industry becoming more friendly with other platforms like mobile etc.  

industry will not become more friendly if you know anything about gaming,it will become more aggressive and competitive as new entrants like Amazon,Apple and Google enter,they are already vying for exclusives

Microsoft's push for XBOX live on SWITCH or other platform is not because of their kindness but because they are losing ground



This would be so insanely expensive that it seems highly unlikely.