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(Update) Rumor: PlayStation 5 will be using Navi 9 (more powerful than Navi 10), new update Jason Schreier said Sony aim more then 10,7 Teraflop

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How accurate this rumored is compared to the reality

Naah 26 35.62%
 
Its 90% close 14 19.18%
 
it's 80% close 8 10.96%
 
it's 70% close 5 6.85%
 
it's 50% close 13 17.81%
 
it's 30% close 7 9.59%
 
Total:73

A $499 price tag makes sense.
The Ps4 Pro is still a very competent console, and it has still a lot to offer in terms of software (and sales potential for Sony)
The Ps5 should offer a substatial upgrade and should be targeted (at least initally) to high-end users.



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Oof $500 hundred dollars is very high, I'll probably wait for the cheaper slim model if this is true.



How does it compare to new xbox rumoured specs?



Bofferbrauer2 said:
HollyGamer said:

From Digital Foundry PS4 pro Test, from Digital Foundry Xbox One X test  . Also Radeon VII also able to beat  Vega 64 with the same TDP on half size chip but with higher clock speed. 

Don't forget consoles price is not the same with PC GPU card that selling on the market . We also have news RAM price will go down and GPU price also going down up to 30% next year. 

GCN is limited to 64 CU, so the only way to get Navi faster than that is to clock it faster. To reach 14TFlops almost 2Ghz would be needed, way too much for GCN.

Radeon VII is able to beat the Vega 64, but for this you would need a chip that beats Vega VII while just consuming less then half of it. That's just not feasible short of a wonder on Navi.

And don't worry, I took chip prices in the next year into account when I said it's going to cost twice those 500$ in production. CPU/GPU ( possibly combined in an APU, but I doubt it) alone will not come cheap as their footprint is much higher than on this Gen. The larger the chip, the higher the price, exponentially so in fact. An APU with Zen2 and Navi with 64 CU will be at least around 500mm2 in 7nm, way too expensive to sell for under 400$ a chip (in 2 separate chips a somewhat lower price is possible to get). The APU in the PS4 and the Pro is only around 250mm2, so just one quarter of the size (don't forget it's squared) that the chip in the leak would take, in fact the GPU alone would be larger than that.

Add to this 24GB not-yet-released (and thus more expensive, at least early on) GDDR6 Memory (GDDR6 is based on DDR4 btw), even with the dropping memory prices that will be around another 100$ for sure early on. Add all the other components, assembly and shipping, and you're getting close to 1000$ even without paying consumer prices.

GCN  CU are not limited to 64, but Stream processor does (current one is 64 rop's) and it might change (double it in Navi ) or even if it's not they can just  added more CU (scalability ). 

GCN CU are depend on how much chip size they want to put on it while keep it cost and TDP down. Remember with 7nm node it will double down the amount of nodes on the same chip size (PS4 to PS4 pro able to double size the amount of CU) 

So PS5 might able to have double the amount of CU on the same size as PS4 pro chip (polaris) or double the amount clock speed of the maximum clock speed of polaris chip.

The price of APU i want you watch Jim from Adored TV channel on Youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgvVXGWJSiE&t=810s

GDDR 6 base price will be different, depend on how much Sony ordered , ( we are talking about a sum size amount of GDDR 6 unit not just a thousand unit) for 5 to 6 years PS5 production . The same thing happen with GDDR5 , it's very expensive but the price is more cheaper because it's a different kind price and deal. 



Random_Matt said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

GCN is limited to 64 CU, so the only way to get Navi faster than that is to clock it faster. To reach 14TFlops almost 2Ghz would be needed, way too much for GCN.

Radeon VII is able to beat the Vega 64, but for this you would need a chip that beats Vega VII while just consuming less then half of it. That's just not feasible short of a wonder on Navi.

And don't worry, I took chip prices in the next year into account when I said it's going to cost twice those 500$ in production. CPU/GPU ( possibly combined in an APU, but I doubt it) alone will not come cheap as their footprint is much higher than on this Gen. The larger the chip, the higher the price, exponentially so in fact. An APU with Zen2 and Navi with 64 CU will be at least around 500mm2 in 7nm, way too expensive to sell for under 400$ a chip (in 2 separate chips a somewhat lower price is possible to get). The APU in the PS4 and the Pro is only around 250mm2, so just one quarter of the size (don't forget it's squared) that the chip in the leak would take, in fact the GPU alone would be larger than that.

Add to this 24GB not-yet-released (and thus more expensive, at least early on) GDDR6 Memory (GDDR6 is based on DDR4 btw), even with the dropping memory prices that will be around another 100$ for sure early on. Add all the other components, assembly and shipping, and you're getting close to 1000$ even without paying consumer prices.

I've learnt recently that VGC users do not listen, let their disappointment occur upon reveal.

You are also VGC forum member , so...? 



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pikashoe said:
Oof $500 hundred dollars is very high, I'll probably wait for the cheaper slim model if this is true.

You mean price cut , because it will be the same spec with future slim model of PS5 . Don't confuse this with PS4 slim and PS4 pro . This spec are the standard PS5 rumored spec . And not the pro version. 



HollyGamer said:
pikashoe said:
Oof $500 hundred dollars is very high, I'll probably wait for the cheaper slim model if this is true.

You mean price cut , because it will be the same spec with future slim model of PS5 . Don't confuse this with PS4 slim and PS4 pro . This spec are the standard PS5 rumored spec . And not the pro version. 

Emm ok, I'm not confusing them, i know these aren't ps5 pro specs. Slim models tend to be sold at a cheaper price than the standard models when they release, unless I'm remembering incorrectly.



ARIEL?? will it have watercooling?



Makes sense if true. With the Switch able to look as good as it does on the go despite it's very skinny size, it makes sense for Sony to release a really beefy graphical device. Curious to see what it looks like!

Still, with all the studios Microsoft aquired, I'm more leaning towards them for my non Nintendo purchase (unless I just upgrade PC parts). It's all about the software for me, especially if they make a proper Banjo game.



1) this is a few weeks old and beyond3d and gaf both banned that user

2) don't get yourselves hyped for 12TF+, you'll just be disappointed