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Who is Sony's main threat/competitor today?

Microsoft 17 19.32%
 
Nintendo 29 32.95%
 
A new Player (Google, Nvi... 6 6.82%
 
Sony 36 40.91%
 
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Their own hubris is the biggest threat to Sony



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Microsoft are irrelevant to Sony.

Sony can only beat themselves by being anti-consumer. Nintendo isn't a threat or competition as people see the Switch as something to have alongside a PS4 and vice versa. There's no conflict between the 2 platforms. They can both succeed and they both have been.



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CaptainExplosion said:
Still Nintendo. The Switch is a beast!

Sony and Nintendo offer so much difference in experience that the two arent really direct competitors but can each grow healthy on their own track.

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KBG29 said:
Sony's main threat, as always, is Sony itself. They have the tools to maintain and expand Playstation, but will they be able to come together as a unified force, or will they continue to in fight.

All Sony has to due to continue leading is offer value and freedom. They need to deliver multiple solutions to access Playstation Software and Services Locally and Over the Cloud. I have said it before, and I will say it again. Sony needs to deliver a unified experience across its VR, TVs, Consoles, Tablets, Handheld, and Phones.

If Sony can offer consumers the ability to boot up the PlayStation OS, Access the PlayStation Store and PSN, and enjoy their entire Library from every Sony device, then Sony maintains their dominance in gaming.

If Sony restricts its user base to a single device, then the entire rest of the electronics industry is a massive threat. Microsoft are well on the way to offering Local and Native playback of Xbox Games across Windows PC, Laptops, Tablets Etc., and Xbox Console, elsewhere they will have xCloud. Google is strongly rumored to have native playback available via a Set Top Box/Console, supplemented by Stream for other devices. There are also rumors of Amazon and Apple both delivering a Gaming Platform in the near future.

AAA games are not going to be limited to console going forward, they won't be limited to Handheld, PC, or even Smartphone. Next gen will be about being able to game where you want, at the level of detail you want to pay for.

If Sony doesn't double down on PlayStation, and broaden its horizons, PS5 will be the Vita of the console market. As always, the ball is in their court.

Sony isn't going to do anything you suggested for obvious reasons that you pretend are irrelevant, and the PS5 will still not be the vita of the console market.

Apple technically has a "gaming platform" right now. Here. Watch some random play Angry Birds on the apple TV.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIIORzt33xU

There's no reason to suspect their boxes will be anything more than Ouya 2.0. Like great, my wife will be able to play bejeweled blitz and pokemon go from the comfort of her own home -  so what? The console gaming market is small potatoes for Apple and Google, and the barriers to enter and compete and fucking massive compared to pretty much anything else. You can't even convince apple or google to spend 1/10th the cost of a AAA gaming budget to make a smartphone game as it is since there is about a 0% chance you're going to convince your average cellphone/tablet user to spend $60 on a game for their phone, and they're not gonna care less about being able to play that game on TVs or car stereos, much less be willing to pay extra for it. What makes you think Apple/Google are going to do that for a device that will at best sell a small fraction of what smartphone and tablet sales amount to? They just don't care, and will continue to not care. Like I said, it's small potatoes and it's an established industry. There's no reason to Apple or Google to pick up that torch and fight Sony and Nintendo over video games.

Sony's going to do what Sony does best. Make solid gaming hardware, and give people reasons to buy that over the other options. That certainly doesn't involve putting putting an OS as bloated as the Playstation OS on fucking TVs and smartphones. Sony already had their own offerings and moved away from them for every obvious reasons that you still want to pretend are irrelevant.

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I rather think this coming generation may end up looking a lot more like the PS3/360/Wii one than the current gen.

It seems unlikely Microsoft will faceplant out of the gate this time and they appear to be making all of the right moves to be more competitive going forward. Nintendo has also found that unique offering (portability this time) that will help them stand out, except that this time it seems less likely to grow stale with gamers than motion controls did.

We really won't know until we officially see what the new Xbox/PS will look like/be priced at (as well as whatever midgen upgrade Nintendo is planning), but at the moment I think both will be bigger competitors for Sony than they were in the current gen. It seems unlikely that we'll see anyone with 50%+ of the market share long term, though the Switch will certainly have a head start initially.



potato_hamster said:
KBG29 said:
Sony's main threat, as always, is Sony itself. They have the tools to maintain and expand Playstation, but will they be able to come together as a unified force, or will they continue to in fight.

All Sony has to due to continue leading is offer value and freedom. They need to deliver multiple solutions to access Playstation Software and Services Locally and Over the Cloud. I have said it before, and I will say it again. Sony needs to deliver a unified experience across its VR, TVs, Consoles, Tablets, Handheld, and Phones.

If Sony can offer consumers the ability to boot up the PlayStation OS, Access the PlayStation Store and PSN, and enjoy their entire Library from every Sony device, then Sony maintains their dominance in gaming.

If Sony restricts its user base to a single device, then the entire rest of the electronics industry is a massive threat. Microsoft are well on the way to offering Local and Native playback of Xbox Games across Windows PC, Laptops, Tablets Etc., and Xbox Console, elsewhere they will have xCloud. Google is strongly rumored to have native playback available via a Set Top Box/Console, supplemented by Stream for other devices. There are also rumors of Amazon and Apple both delivering a Gaming Platform in the near future.

AAA games are not going to be limited to console going forward, they won't be limited to Handheld, PC, or even Smartphone. Next gen will be about being able to game where you want, at the level of detail you want to pay for.

If Sony doesn't double down on PlayStation, and broaden its horizons, PS5 will be the Vita of the console market. As always, the ball is in their court.

Sony isn't going to do anything you suggested for obvious reasons that you pretend are irrelevant, and the PS5 will still not be the vita of the console market.

Apple technically has a "gaming platform" right now. Here. Watch some random play Angry Birds on the apple TV.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIIORzt33xU

There's no reason to suspect their boxes will be anything more than Ouya 2.0. Like great, my wife will be able to play bejeweled blitz and pokemon go from the comfort of her own home -  so what? The console gaming market is small potatoes for Apple and Google, and the barriers to enter and compete and fucking massive compared to pretty much anything else. You can't even convince apple or google to spend 1/10th the cost of a AAA gaming budget to make a smartphone game as it is since there is about a 0% chance you're going to convince your average cellphone/tablet user to spend $60 on a game for their phone, and they're not gonna care less about being able to play that game on TVs or car stereos, much less be willing to pay extra for it. What makes you think Apple/Google are going to do that for a device that will at best sell a small fraction of what smartphone and tablet sales amount to? They just don't care, and will continue to not care. Like I said, it's small potatoes and it's an established industry. There's no reason to Apple or Google to pick up that torch and fight Sony and Nintendo over video games.

Sony's going to do what Sony does best. Make solid gaming hardware, and give people reasons to buy that over the other options. That certainly doesn't involve putting putting an OS as bloated as the Playstation OS on fucking TVs and smartphones. Sony already had their own offerings and moved away from them for every obvious reasons that you still want to pretend are irrelevant.

I don't think either one of us is ever going to budge on our opinions on this matter. All I can say is Google is absolutely coming for the gaming market, and Android has basically wiped out Bravia and Xperia, and cost Sony more losses than anything else in the history of the company. Sony failed to keep up with the industry in the mobile space with PlayStation and it is the worst decision the company has ever made. As I see it, if they fail to keep up with the rest of the industry in the home space, people will leave just as fast.

If they fail with the PlayStation ecosystem, they have no where to turn. People are not going to buy a Console from them that runs Android or Windows. I do not believe for a second that a single PS5 console will compete against PC, TV, Set Top Box, Tablet, Smartphone, and Handheld offerings from the rest of the market, when people can get Halo, Call of Duty, Gears of War, Grand Theft Auto, Fifa, NBA 2K, and everything else 3rd party and Microsoft on every other device. PlayStation will by far offer the worst value for 3rd party titles, while requiring a Proprietary device that exists outside of everything else in peoples connected lives. I do not believe Sony can dominate the market on exclusives alone, and if things go the way they are looking right now, that is all they will have.



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KBG29 said:
potato_hamster said:

Sony isn't going to do anything you suggested for obvious reasons that you pretend are irrelevant, and the PS5 will still not be the vita of the console market.

Apple technically has a "gaming platform" right now. Here. Watch some random play Angry Birds on the apple TV.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIIORzt33xU

There's no reason to suspect their boxes will be anything more than Ouya 2.0. Like great, my wife will be able to play bejeweled blitz and pokemon go from the comfort of her own home -  so what? The console gaming market is small potatoes for Apple and Google, and the barriers to enter and compete and fucking massive compared to pretty much anything else. You can't even convince apple or google to spend 1/10th the cost of a AAA gaming budget to make a smartphone game as it is since there is about a 0% chance you're going to convince your average cellphone/tablet user to spend $60 on a game for their phone, and they're not gonna care less about being able to play that game on TVs or car stereos, much less be willing to pay extra for it. What makes you think Apple/Google are going to do that for a device that will at best sell a small fraction of what smartphone and tablet sales amount to? They just don't care, and will continue to not care. Like I said, it's small potatoes and it's an established industry. There's no reason to Apple or Google to pick up that torch and fight Sony and Nintendo over video games.

Sony's going to do what Sony does best. Make solid gaming hardware, and give people reasons to buy that over the other options. That certainly doesn't involve putting putting an OS as bloated as the Playstation OS on fucking TVs and smartphones. Sony already had their own offerings and moved away from them for every obvious reasons that you still want to pretend are irrelevant.

I don't think either one of us is ever going to budge on our opinions on this matter. All I can say is Google is absolutely coming for the gaming market, and Android has basically wiped out Bravia and Xperia, and cost Sony more losses than anything else in the history of the company. Sony failed to keep up with the industry in the mobile space with PlayStation and it is the worst decision the company has ever made. As I see it, if they fail to keep up with the rest of the industry in the home space, people will leave just as fast.

If they fail with the PlayStation ecosystem, they have no where to turn. People are not going to buy a Console from them that runs Android or Windows. I do not believe for a second that a single PS5 console will compete against PC, TV, Set Top Box, Tablet, Smartphone, and Handheld offerings from the rest of the market, when people can get Halo, Call of Duty, Gears of War, Grand Theft Auto, Fifa, NBA 2K, and everything else 3rd party and Microsoft on every other device. PlayStation will by far offer the worst value for 3rd party titles, while requiring a Proprietary device that exists outside of everything else in peoples connected lives. I do not believe Sony can dominate the market on exclusives alone, and if things go the way they are looking right now, that is all they will have.

Android didn't "wipe out Bravia and Xperia".  That's an operating system. Samsung and Apple wiped out Sony's Xperia line (as well as utterly decimated the OS kings, Microsoft at their own game. As for TVs. Ask yout average TV user what operating system their TV runs and they'll look at you funny. No one really gives a shit about the operating system their TV runs. All they care about is whether it has the apps they want and whether those apps work the way they should.

Why would Sony make a console that runs Android or Windows? You make zero sense. People buy game consoles to play video games. As long as it has an app package that's "good enough" that's all that matters. Whether or not you can view .pdfs or check your email on your PS5 isn't going to matter at all to a prospective buyer.

The PlayStation 4 already competes against PC, TV, Set Top Boxes, Tablets, Smartphones  and Handheld offerings and are on the verge of 100 million in sales. Why would the PS5 suddenly not be able to compete? Because now you can play Gears of War or Forza streamed to a tablet? And again, here's the part you keep ignoring. Tablet owners aren't willing to spend $60 to play Forza on a tablet (with touch screen controls no less). How are game developers going to make money selling their games on platforms with userbases that are unwilling to pay for them? You can get FIFA on iOS and Android, and shockingly, EA still managed to sell nearly 12 million copies PS4 alone, and that's just hard copies. Why would this change? Exclusives only matter when third party offerings are equal or near equal. That's why when someone is choosing between a PS4 and a Switch, it doesn't matter that Madden is also on Xbox, it matters that Madden is not on Switch. And if Switch get's some type of tablet/touchscreen version of Madden for that sells for $8 on the store? People are still going to lean towards buying a PS4 to play the Madden they want to play - in front of a TV with a controller.

You arguments aren't based on any kind of sound reasoning. You're treating game consoles as if they're PCs or TVs or set top boxes or whatever. They're not. Google is just going to quirt out device after device that runs Android and users the google play store like the next Ouya and let Sony do their own thing.



potato_hamster said:
KBG29 said:

I don't think either one of us is ever going to budge on our opinions on this matter. All I can say is Google is absolutely coming for the gaming market, and Android has basically wiped out Bravia and Xperia, and cost Sony more losses than anything else in the history of the company. Sony failed to keep up with the industry in the mobile space with PlayStation and it is the worst decision the company has ever made. As I see it, if they fail to keep up with the rest of the industry in the home space, people will leave just as fast.

If they fail with the PlayStation ecosystem, they have no where to turn. People are not going to buy a Console from them that runs Android or Windows. I do not believe for a second that a single PS5 console will compete against PC, TV, Set Top Box, Tablet, Smartphone, and Handheld offerings from the rest of the market, when people can get Halo, Call of Duty, Gears of War, Grand Theft Auto, Fifa, NBA 2K, and everything else 3rd party and Microsoft on every other device. PlayStation will by far offer the worst value for 3rd party titles, while requiring a Proprietary device that exists outside of everything else in peoples connected lives. I do not believe Sony can dominate the market on exclusives alone, and if things go the way they are looking right now, that is all they will have.

Android didn't "wipe out Bravia and Xperia".  That's an operating system. Samsung and Apple wiped out Sony's Xperia line (as well as utterly decimated the OS kings, Microsoft at their own game. As for TVs. Ask yout average TV user what operating system their TV runs and they'll look at you funny. No one really gives a shit about the operating system their TV runs. All they care about is whether it has the apps they want and whether those apps work the way they should.

Why would Sony make a console that runs Android or Windows? You make zero sense. People buy game consoles to play video games. As long as it has an app package that's "good enough" that's all that matters. Whether or not you can view .pdfs or check your email on your PS5 isn't going to matter at all to a prospective buyer.

The PlayStation 4 already competes against PC, TV, Set Top Boxes, Tablets, Smartphones  and Handheld offerings and are on the verge of 100 million in sales. Why would the PS5 suddenly not be able to compete? Because now you can play Gears of War or Forza streamed to a tablet? And again, here's the part you keep ignoring. Tablet owners aren't willing to spend $60 to play Forza on a tablet (with touch screen controls no less). How are game developers going to make money selling their games on platforms with userbases that are unwilling to pay for them? You can get FIFA on iOS and Android, and shockingly, EA still managed to sell nearly 12 million copies PS4 alone, and that's just hard copies. Why would this change? Exclusives only matter when third party offerings are equal or near equal. That's why when someone is choosing between a PS4 and a Switch, it doesn't matter that Madden is also on Xbox, it matters that Madden is not on Switch. And if Switch get's some type of tablet/touchscreen version of Madden for that sells for $8 on the store? People are still going to lean towards buying a PS4 to play the Madden they want to play - in front of a TV with a controller.

You arguments aren't based on any kind of sound reasoning. You're treating game consoles as if they're PCs or TVs or set top boxes or whatever. They're not. Google is just going to quirt out device after device that runs Android and users the google play store like the next Ouya and let Sony do their own thing.

I swear we live in two different worlds. Most people I talk to are fully aware of what TV OS, Set Top Box, Console, or PC they are using to get content to their TV, along with knowing what Apps they enjoy on said OS.

Android is absolutely what damaged Sony's Mobile and TV business. They were doing great in the Mobile space with PSP and TV sales were fine when they were running their own OS. When they bought complete control of their Phone business and Killed off PS Vita to focus exclusively on Android based Xperia's is the exact moment that they started loosing billions and declining in sales. Ever since they dropped their own OS on their TVs and moved to Android sales and profits have fallen every year. Android has done nothing but hurt Sony, and it has drove a wedge between PlayStation and the rest of the company. Xperia and Bravia do not push Sony services, or interact with the PS4. They actually compete directly with Sony, and push Google services over Sony's own. Sony looses on the sale of the hardware, and every time a user grabs anything from the Google Play Store and Google services instead of PS Store and PS Services.

Of course I compare consoles to PC, Smart TV, and Set Top Boxes, saying they don't compete is no different than saying iOS and Android didn't compete against Handhelds. We have already seen how foolish it was to pretend competition doesn't exist in the Mobile space, why would we do it again in the Home space?

As for why PS5 will fail when PS4 has succeeded. PS5 will be facing a market where people can play Madden 20, NBA 2K20, Grand Theft Auto 6, and Future Assasin's Creed and Call of Duty titles, directly on their TV, with a controller, or via PC, or a Set Top Box, or on their Tablet/Phone, or on their Tablet/Phone with a controller, or with their Tablet/Phone streamed to their TV with a controller. PS4 did not face a market, where the devices people are using every day for every other computing and entertainment experience, also had the ability to deliver the same gaming experience as PS4. PS5 will be facing a market where all of these device offer the same, or an even better experience than PS5.

PlayStation 5 will fail because it doesn't offer anything people can't already get from every other device they own. Sony will fail, because they have not made an ecosystem of devices that allow people to get done what they need to get done. That is why I say Sony is Sony/PlayStation's greatest threat. They have everything they need to build an ecosystem that can compete with Apple, Microsoft, and Google, but they fail time and time again to capitalize. There is nothing Apple, Google, and Microsoft can do to over take Sony in gaming, only what Sony won't do to compete against iOS, Android, and Windows. PS5, a single Home console, can not fight against ecosystems with devices that span all form factors.



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KBG29 said:
potato_hamster said:

Android didn't "wipe out Bravia and Xperia".  That's an operating system. Samsung and Apple wiped out Sony's Xperia line (as well as utterly decimated the OS kings, Microsoft at their own game. As for TVs. Ask yout average TV user what operating system their TV runs and they'll look at you funny. No one really gives a shit about the operating system their TV runs. All they care about is whether it has the apps they want and whether those apps work the way they should.

Why would Sony make a console that runs Android or Windows? You make zero sense. People buy game consoles to play video games. As long as it has an app package that's "good enough" that's all that matters. Whether or not you can view .pdfs or check your email on your PS5 isn't going to matter at all to a prospective buyer.

The PlayStation 4 already competes against PC, TV, Set Top Boxes, Tablets, Smartphones  and Handheld offerings and are on the verge of 100 million in sales. Why would the PS5 suddenly not be able to compete? Because now you can play Gears of War or Forza streamed to a tablet? And again, here's the part you keep ignoring. Tablet owners aren't willing to spend $60 to play Forza on a tablet (with touch screen controls no less). How are game developers going to make money selling their games on platforms with userbases that are unwilling to pay for them? You can get FIFA on iOS and Android, and shockingly, EA still managed to sell nearly 12 million copies PS4 alone, and that's just hard copies. Why would this change? Exclusives only matter when third party offerings are equal or near equal. That's why when someone is choosing between a PS4 and a Switch, it doesn't matter that Madden is also on Xbox, it matters that Madden is not on Switch. And if Switch get's some type of tablet/touchscreen version of Madden for that sells for $8 on the store? People are still going to lean towards buying a PS4 to play the Madden they want to play - in front of a TV with a controller.

You arguments aren't based on any kind of sound reasoning. You're treating game consoles as if they're PCs or TVs or set top boxes or whatever. They're not. Google is just going to quirt out device after device that runs Android and users the google play store like the next Ouya and let Sony do their own thing.

I swear we live in two different worlds. Most people I talk to are fully aware of what TV OS, Set Top Box, Console, or PC they are using to get content to their TV, along with knowing what Apps they enjoy on said OS.

Android is absolutely what damaged Sony's Mobile and TV business. They were doing great in the Mobile space with PSP and TV sales were fine when they were running their own OS. When they bought complete control of their Phone business and Killed off PS Vita to focus exclusively on Android based Xperia's is the exact moment that they started loosing billions and declining in sales. Ever since they dropped their own OS on their TVs and moved to Android sales and profits have fallen every year. Android has done nothing but hurt Sony, and it has drove a wedge between PlayStation and the rest of the company. Xperia and Bravia do not push Sony services, or interact with the PS4. They actually compete directly with Sony, and push Google services over Sony's own. Sony looses on the sale of the hardware, and every time a user grabs anything from the Google Play Store and Google services instead of PS Store and PS Services.

Of course I compare consoles to PC, Smart TV, and Set Top Boxes, saying they don't compete is no different than saying iOS and Android didn't compete against Handhelds. We have already seen how foolish it was to pretend competition doesn't exist in the Mobile space, why would we do it again in the Home space?

As for why PS5 will fail when PS4 has succeeded. PS5 will be facing a market where people can play Madden 20, NBA 2K20, Grand Theft Auto 6, and Future Assasin's Creed and Call of Duty titles, directly on their TV, with a controller, or via PC, or a Set Top Box, or on their Tablet/Phone, or on their Tablet/Phone with a controller, or with their Tablet/Phone streamed to their TV with a controller. PS4 did not face a market, where the devices people are using every day for every other computing and entertainment experience, also had the ability to deliver the same gaming experience as PS4. PS5 will be facing a market where all of these device offer the same, or an even better experience than PS5.

PlayStation 5 will fail because it doesn't offer anything people can't already get from every other device they own. Sony will fail, because they have not made an ecosystem of devices that allow people to get done what they need to get done. That is why I say Sony is Sony/PlayStation's greatest threat. They have everything they need to build an ecosystem that can compete with Apple, Microsoft, and Google, but they fail time and time again to capitalize. There is nothing Apple, Google, and Microsoft can do to over take Sony in gaming, only what Sony won't do to compete against iOS, Android, and Windows. PS5, a single Home console, can not fight against ecosystems with devices that span all form factors.

You have some strange friends if you think your average joe cares what operating system their TV runs.

If you want to argue with a straight face that Sony adopting Android OS onto their phones instead of whatever OS they were running before that that was getting completely and utterly shredded by Android and iOS actually hurt Sony's phone sales rather than sticking with whatever they had or putting on their own new, OS and trying to go toe-to-toe with google and apple in the cell phone, well.... you're entitled to think that, I guess, but that's about as polite as I can be.

Ohh, and Sony never "killed off the Vita to focus on Xperia". The Vita was still born. They just accepted its death and moved on.

Ohh you think you're going to be able to play Madden 20 or GTA 6 on a tablet or directly off a smart TV and get an experience that's close enough? That's cute. You think that streaming is going to be good enough to compete with dedicated hardware directly? That's cute too. You think that people are going to spend $60 to play Madden on their iPad? That's just plain adorable. None of those devices are going to offer the same or even a "good enough" experience to a PS5 or Xbox Two. You're going to be in for a rude awakening when in 5-6 years time these two consoles have a combined 120+ million in sales and people are still using the phones and tablets to play Angry Birds or whatever generic free mobile game is popular then. You must be REALLY confused how Nintendo has sold 30+ million Switches in less than 2 years. Shouldn't Apple and Google be eating Nintendo's dinner at the "portable gaming space" by your metrics?