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Shadow1980 said:
konnichiwa said:

Well it is easy to agree with you but that's what they said about Playstation and Xbox.  Let's just wait and see how much money they spent on AAA games.

PlayStation took advantage of Sega's and Nintendo's failures in the mid 90s. Sega absolutely destroying their status as a console maker provided a vacuum for PlayStation to fill. Nintendo's decision to stick with cartridges also gave Sony a huge boost as most third parties at the time were unwilling to deal the limitations of the N64's format and chose to support the PlayStation.

With Xbox, MS already had some experience in the video game market, publishing and even developing games for Windows PCs. Even then, the Xbox flopped in Europe and especially Japan, and finished a distant second in the U.S., where it sold only a third of what the PS2 sold. At 24 million units lifetime, it wasn't a complete failure, but, given the size of the global console market after Europe caught up with North America, it wasn't very impressive, either. The only reason it did even what it did was on the strength of Halo. Had they not bought out Bungie back in 2000, I honestly think the Xbox would have been a complete failure. They managed to start Gen 7 off on a better footing, but the main reason the 360 got to be so big was because Sony screwed up by releasing an overpriced system. Also, Nintendo ceasing to make conventional consoles when they went the Wii route provided an opening for Xbox to be the sole primary competitor to PlayStation.

For Google, their only chance is if they A) have some absolutely massive killer app that blows everyone away like SMB, Sonic '91, FFVII, and Halo CE did for the others, B) either Sony or MS make some huge mistake that has catastrophic consequences on their brands, providing Google an opening to exploit. I doubt the console market's ability to support three conventional systems and all three be healthy. Every time we've had more than two, we either had two successful ones and a bunch of abject failures, or we had the Gen 6 situation where one established console brand dominated, leaving the other two to fight over the scraps.

In many ways I would agree that the original Xbox was a failure. I could see it being said that the Xbox 360 couldn't've been possible without the Xbox, so the Xbox was steps in the right direction. But then again, has the Xbox division of Microsoft ever turned a profit? I find it hard to believe that they haven't, but I can find some articles from as recent as 2016 that state Microsoft has never profited with the Xbox, and that only revenues are rising.

Google's main advantage is the amount of computing power that they have, not to mention among the most talented developers in the world. Maybe if Google partnered up with Sony or MS they could create something impactful.

It's been a long time since a real competitor showed up in the market, and the more I think about, the more I think that the home console market is going to be on a major downhill trend in the coming years. The mobile gaming market is causing people to not bother with the home console market. Something may need to change, and maybe Google sees an opportunity there.



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Phil Harrison involved. thanks but no thanks.

This guy had inside knowledge of both Sony and MS when he worked for them as Vice President. Even with that experience he could only barely give xbox that leading edge against sony for a short time before jumping ship to google. I just don't trust this guy.. Where is he going to go next? Apple?

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deskpro2k3 said:

Phil Harrison involved. thanks but no thanks.

This guy had inside knowledge of both Sony and MS when he worked for them as Vice President. Even with that experience he could only barely give xbox that leading edge against sony for a short time before jumping ship to google. I just don't trust this guy.. Where is he going to go next? Apple?

He was also with Atari, and GaiKai in-between Playstation and Microsoft. He gets around.



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couchmonkey said:
haxxiy said:

I don't think because a company is super huge that they'll necessarily use their economic power to subsidize their products. MS didn't do that with the Xbox for instance. In fact, quite the oposite. These companies are their size exactly because their margins of profits are so massive, and shareholders would find it somewhat strange to join a market where there isn't the chance to do so.

So I welcome the competition, and hope for good things in the future (though failure is the most likely scenario).

Wait a minite! Microsoft absolutely subsidized XBox!  They lost $1 billion per year on the original console and defended it as “market defence against Sony” to their investors.  They lost $3 or $4 billion on 360 (can’t remember which) before they turned slightly profitable for the last half of it’s life (one billion was to pay off RROD problems, though). You could argue Xboxone is doing mediocre because ms stopped blowing all so much money on it.

This will be very interesting. I am a cloud gaming skeptic, ad I would argue a console is a smart, but very difficult, choice to try to lever your streaming service into the market. I assume we will now see Microsoft get more aggressive about consoles again...it is going to be something else.

I don’t expect major success for Google at a glance, but who knows where they could go.  definitely do not mistake that controller design for final, and don’t mistake Googlebox for Ouya, this will be totally different.

Not to forget that the start of this gen had plenty of Xbox fan defending MS would obliterate Sony with their infinity money, selling consoles for big loss and buying all exclusives.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

An interesting advantage of Google in the tye gaming space....

They are the one company that actually has their own internal based internet service . The applications of that could be huge. 😬



      

      

      

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Heh, people are putting far too much focus on the controller mock up. It's just a prototype that will likely be modified before final release.


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Shadow1980 said:
RaptorChrist said:

In many ways I would agree that the original Xbox was a failure. I could see it being said that the Xbox 360 couldn't've been possible without the Xbox, so the Xbox was steps in the right direction. But then again, has the Xbox division of Microsoft ever turned a profit? I find it hard to believe that they haven't, but I can find some articles from as recent as 2016 that state Microsoft has never profited with the Xbox, and that only revenues are rising.

Google's main advantage is the amount of computing power that they have, not to mention among the most talented developers in the world. Maybe if Google partnered up with Sony or MS they could create something impactful.

It's been a long time since a real competitor showed up in the market, and the more I think about, the more I think that the home console market is going to be on a major downhill trend in the coming years. The mobile gaming market is causing people to not bother with the home console market. Something may need to change, and maybe Google sees an opportunity there.

@Bolded. I've never bought into the claim that mobile hurts console gaming. The iPhone debuted almost 12 years ago, yet we've seen no real impact on the home console market. Hardware and software sales remain incredibly strong, at least in the West, with no signs of a contraction. In the U.S., same-gen console sales for the PS4 & XBO were at above 9 million units every year from 2014 to 2018, a streak that's never before been accomplished (chart below). While combined PS4+XBO sales never quite reached the peak of combined PlayStation+Xbox sales from Gens 6 & 7, the stability has been remarkable. Assuming a Nov. 2020 release date for both the PS5 and Xbox 4. I think this generation is on track to end at around 70M in the U.S., on par with combined 360+PS3 sales. Now, you could argue that the console market is now a zero-growth market, but nobody should have expected it to continue growing forever. As with any other consumer electronic item, there are only so many households willing and able to own a game console (poor people are less likely to own a console, as are people born before 1960), and it's clear that consoles (or at least conventional consoles) have reached a saturation point. Stable sales are not shrinking sales, and the lack of growth should not be viewed with alarm.

In Europe, the PS4 is already the second best-selling home console ever in the region, behind only the PS2. It will probably end up somewhere in the 45-50M range. The XBO is running well behind the PS4, but should end up at around 14-16M. So, we're talking around 60-65M conventional consoles sold in the region, as good or better than combined PS3+360 sales, and about on par with combined PS2+OXbox sales. Again, no indication of a contracting market.

The home console market has undergone a contraction in Japan, but that was already well underway in Gen 6 when smartphones were not yet a thing. However, the handheld market (well, Nintendo handhelds, anyway) continued to do well in Japan despite the existence of mobile gaming, which you would find even less likely given that you would think mobile competes more directly with portable consoles than with home consoles.

Most companies consider lack of growth almost as good as shrinking market =´[



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

The console wars of yesteryears will soon be looked back on fondly as small skirmishes in comparison to what's coming...

A nintendo/xbox partnership is an excellent idea. They'll need each other to combat Apple and Google. Where this will eventually leave Sony is anyone's guess.



I don't consider Jade Raymond to be a serious talent in the gaming industry. Next.



Consoles don't matter to much anymore it is all about subscriptions and accounts. If google takes it serious we will get a lot of we have so many milllion subscribers.