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Should The Political Discussion Board Remain?

Yes 66 53.66%
 
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Mnementh said:
TalonMan said:

This isn't a bad idea - maybe give mods/site admin control over which topics are in the Hot Topics section (allowing them to push down certain posts). The problem with this (as it is on EVERY website these days), is mods potentially allowing their political leanings to control what does and does not appear (ie. a liberal pushing down any "Trump is good" and keeping all "Trump is bad" posts).

Ugh... 

 

Well, mod powers can be misused - always. Currently mods could lock a pro-Trump thread while letting a contra-Trump thread live (or vice versa). Mod power abuse should be punished (and probably there are already rules in place to handle abuse od mod power). Given, a tool with lower impact might be used less strictly. But it is also much easier to discuss, if you feel this mod decision was bad.

I think what removes allot of the potential for mod abuse is that... The mods talk to each other about issues that arise... And often we don't always agree, so we will push our cases forwards until there is a general consensus. It works more often than not, that's for sure... Prior forums I have been a moderator on, we didn't have such a process, we were left to our own devices... And you can bet mods would abuse their position on the odd occasion, simply because they could get away with it.

In saying that... The Mod team is only human, mistakes can be made (Heck, I have made a couple!), all part of the learning process!

But blatant abuse isn't generally going to overlooked. And nor should it.




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Pemalite said:
Mnementh said:

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I think what removes allot of the potential for mod abuse is that... The mods talk to each other about issues that arise... And often we don't always agree, so we will push our cases forwards until there is a general consensus. It works more often than not, that's for sure... Prior forums I have been a moderator on, we didn't have such a process, we were left to our own devices... And you can bet mods would abuse their position on the odd occasion, simply because they could get away with it.

In saying that... The Mod team is only human, mistakes can be made (Heck, I have made a couple!), all part of the learning process!

But blatant abuse isn't generally going to overlooked. And nor should it.

Nope.



                                                                                                             

Pemalite said:
Mnementh said:

Well, mod powers can be misused - always. Currently mods could lock a pro-Trump thread while letting a contra-Trump thread live (or vice versa). Mod power abuse should be punished (and probably there are already rules in place to handle abuse od mod power). Given, a tool with lower impact might be used less strictly. But it is also much easier to discuss, if you feel this mod decision was bad.

I think what removes allot of the potential for mod abuse is that... The mods talk to each other about issues that arise... And often we don't always agree, so we will push our cases forwards until there is a general consensus. It works more often than not, that's for sure... Prior forums I have been a moderator on, we didn't have such a process, we were left to our own devices... And you can bet mods would abuse their position on the odd occasion, simply because they could get away with it.

In saying that... The Mod team is only human, mistakes can be made (Heck, I have made a couple!), all part of the learning process!

But blatant abuse isn't generally going to overlooked. And nor should it.


Yeah, my intention was to say, that we shouldn't discuss a possible option for mods under the view that it could be abused - as every mod power can. And I hope the mod-team can handle that and act accordingly. We should discuss new mod-features under the view if it can be useful.



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Personally, I think we should allow the toxic posts in Politics if we are going to use "free speech" as an argument for it. Also, from a practical standpoint, it is very difficult to mix politics and alcohol without trying to point out how dumb your opponent is; it makes the forum into a HUGE trap for people to get banned! =D
That is not good for activity.

If the goal of the forum is to have actual reasonable political discussion, it's not going to happen.
Most people there have clearly never taken even a basic poli-sci or logic course, but still act like they're experts because they once read a Fox News headline about something.
I am unsure if they are purposely acting dense/ignorant as some kind of roleplay, or if they are being authentic.
For a lot of people, the Politics forum is literally just an anti-social button-pushing hobby forum.

 

IN CONCLUSION

Politics is a literal idiocracy discussion forum.
I am all for keeping it as is, but not to ban people.
If you want a serious political discussion forum, it's not going to happen, you would have to ban about 90% of the people in there - and I wouldn't want that.
It is, and forever will be, a button-pressing/shitposting forum under the pretense of political discussion.

Although, I understand not allowing typical board-ruining things like spamming out threads with off topic advertisements for someone's Amazon affiliate site or something.



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the-pi-guy said:
potato_hamster said:
The participation in this site seems to be on the steady decline, and you want to give people one less reason to come here to discuss things?

That doesn't seem like a good idea to me.

 

Flilix said:
Yes, since there's absolutely no reason to remove it, especially considering the low amount of activity the site already has.

I can assure you that some people have stopped coming here because of the political threads.  

And this is true of any forum that has an off-topic section in general but a political section specifically.  A sports forum with political talk will face the same problems.  The simple reality is, a political section in a gaming (or sports) forum is never going to draw people to the site - because nobody goes looking for a gaming site to talk politics in.  But such a section can, and often does, drive people away.  Frequently because of toxicity either pushing them out, or if they are the toxic ones themselves, through being banned. 

Such sections are a value add for existing members, and it's no surprise that a seeming majority here wish to keep this one.  It's not so easy a call from a moderator/administrator perspective since you guys see far more than most the damage it can cause to the community.



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Mnementh said:
Pemalite said:

I think what removes allot of the potential for mod abuse is that... The mods talk to each other about issues that arise... And often we don't always agree, so we will push our cases forwards until there is a general consensus. It works more often than not, that's for sure... Prior forums I have been a moderator on, we didn't have such a process, we were left to our own devices... And you can bet mods would abuse their position on the odd occasion, simply because they could get away with it.

In saying that... The Mod team is only human, mistakes can be made (Heck, I have made a couple!), all part of the learning process!

But blatant abuse isn't generally going to overlooked. And nor should it.


Yeah, my intention was to say, that we shouldn't discuss a possible option for mods under the view that it could be abused - as every mod power can. And I hope the mod-team can handle that and act accordingly. We should discuss new mod-features under the view if it can be useful.

We're always discussing that, which is part of how the Political Discussion came up. 



                                                                                                             

Frankly just remove the option to post anything at all. No people will get banned that way and it will make the focus shift towards sales.
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I think we need to keep it....everything this way is so politicized to the point that it bleeds into everything one way or another. At least we'll have an avenue to redirect those kinds of discussions. Unless you're all about banning political talk outright entirely.



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Didnt even know this board existed, and yet I see no reason to take it away. Just dont have it show up on the front page I guess?



I think the boards should say, so long as discussions remain civil - ie, don't smear entire groups of people for being on a certain side of the aisle, liking a certain politician, etc. Criticising the politician him/herself is one thing or criticising/pointing out the flaws of an argument, but I've seen a fair bit of attacks on those who simply support certain politicians or belong to certain political tribes. 

As much as I can find the content tiresome and sometimes even depressing, it's also a nice outlet to get my feelings and opinons out there, of which I really don't feel comfortable doing in life, hardly even amongst my own family and friends. So it is an outlet in a certain way. And I think it's the case for many as well.