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Pemalite said:
VAMatt said:

As to your other points, many people choose not to pay for online play (because they don't care about it).  And those that do pay $60 or less per year.  Mid-gen upgrades are not necessary to stay close to the current top-tier.  Gamepass, EA Access, and the like are not exclusive to consoles.  Those costs exist for PC gamers as well, if they want them.  

I have a 12+ year old Core 2 Quad rig (It's a spare system for development/testing/tweaking purposes) that is still capable of playing the latest released games... Can the Xbox 360 or Playstation 3 say the same? That system has already lasted longer than a single console generation... You would have to buy multiple consoles to match that rigs life.

Fact of the matter is... PC can have cost advantages over consoles if you take the right approach, it can save you money, especially in the long run, the games are cheaper, the online is free, the peripherals are cheaper... And you don't need the latest and greatest $2,000 rig and nor are you required to upgrade every 6 months.

If you have a 12 year old rig that's playing current games at a reasonably quality, you just have either spent $2500 on it 12 years ago, or spent a grand on it back then, and put a few upgrades in it since.  

But, your point is well taken.  There are some cost savings associated with PC gaming.  I guess I should sit down and do some math sometime to see if the question of which is cheaper can be definitively answered.  



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BraLoD said:
COKTOE said:
With Sony pathetically continuing down the path of censorship, the likelihood of me going PC next gen increases. What's happened with Devil May Cry 5 on PS4 is grotesque. I don't even own it. The very idea though. The only hangup will be selling my account, which I really don't know much about, or even if it's doable tbh.

You should give it some more research.

Even as one particular scene is only censored on PS4, the exact same kind of censorship is present in another scene across all versions of the game.

Certainly Sony is not responsible for that, is it?

Well, I will try to look into it more today.



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Exclusives are reason enough, I could just stop there. Playstation is my man in that regard, always has been and hopefully always will be.
Even if every game was on every platform, it's just convenient. Just get on the couch and play on a big ass TV(the only way to game), no hassle, no compatibility issues, no wondering if this bit will work with that bit and whatnot. No bulky keyboard searching for the right keys to press with the mouse taking up your other hand, no thanks. I might get used to that, but I don't have to.
Sure, there's always more pixels and lighting and frame rate and cake out there, but the jump to HD was enough for me, thanks. Each generation I get a jump that's nice enough to keep things fresh, I'm good.



Shiken said:

It is all about price and exclusives. Some do not want to spend the extra money on a higher performing PC and at that point, you may as well go console. Why would anyone that wants to play God of War 5, Horizon 2, Zelda, Xenoblade, Death Stranding, ghost of tsushima, etc sink the money on a PC when their PS5/Nintendo console can play those same games anyway?

There are some enthusiasts that will, but most will not. They want their one or two consoles to play their exclusive and multiplat games on and that is it. It really is that simple.

Well, I would do that because my PC is stronger than all of my consoles.  But, like I've said, my PC isn't fitting in my pocket, so there's reason to buy switch games.

VAMatt said:
Pemalite said:

I have a 12+ year old Core 2 Quad rig (It's a spare system for development/testing/tweaking purposes) that is still capable of playing the latest released games... Can the Xbox 360 or Playstation 3 say the same? That system has already lasted longer than a single console generation... You would have to buy multiple consoles to match that rigs life.

Fact of the matter is... PC can have cost advantages over consoles if you take the right approach, it can save you money, especially in the long run, the games are cheaper, the online is free, the peripherals are cheaper... And you don't need the latest and greatest $2,000 rig and nor are you required to upgrade every 6 months.

If you have a 12 year old rig that's playing current games at a reasonably quality, you just have either spent $2500 on it 12 years ago, or spent a grand on it back then, and put a few upgrades in it since.  

But, your point is well taken.  There are some cost savings associated with PC gaming.  I guess I should sit down and do some math sometime to see if the question of which is cheaper can be definitively answered.  

I don't try to go too much into this, because I wouldn't game on a low-end PC.  I did pay 2500 for my pc, two years ago, and STILL want to build a better one.  This one has partially paid for itself, though, thanks to the ease of crypto mining, a couple years ago.  Not worth it anymore, but I was so happy I went for the exact card I wanted.

Dante9 said:
Exclusives are reason enough, I could just stop there. Playstation is my man in that regard, always has been and hopefully always will be.
Even if every game was on every platform, it's just convenient. Just get on the couch and play on a big ass TV(the only way to game), no hassle, no compatibility issues, no wondering if this bit will work with that bit and whatnot. No bulky keyboard searching for the right keys to press with the mouse taking up your other hand, no thanks. I might get used to that, but I don't have to.
Sure, there's always more pixels and lighting and frame rate and cake out there, but the jump to HD was enough for me, thanks. Each generation I get a jump that's nice enough to keep things fresh, I'm good.

I wish I could say the same.  I still like my consoles.  But my 4ktv is actually a 4096 x 2160, or DCI resolution, which means only pc games are going to scale properly anyway.  However, I got the tv for screen real estate, and the refreshrate was the best I was going to get for the money.  That was my biggest concern because I like my fighting games, and when I have friends over, the last thing I want to hear is complaints about TV lag.  I wanted it to be acceptable and an alternative to my high speed monitor, since expecting people to crowd around a 27 inch monitor is ridiculous.  I even have a splitter, so the monitor can be used in combination with the TV, but honestly, they didn't care that the monitor would give them a frame advantage, because of how responsive the TV already was.

I've told myself I'd use that TV for some single player games, so I can enjoy some 4k 60 games, but I've never actually done it, though.  And, with PS4, I always select performance over visuals, so I've never played any of those games in 4k either.

Maybe I'll boot a game up and try it right now.



Burning Typhoon said:

With the Nintendo Switch, going from pocket to tv, so easily with no big drop in performance, and good battery life, I feel like the hardware itself is good enough to justify owning it, regardless of the games.  I feel like the PS4 is lacking because in much the same way the xbox one is.  The only thing saving the PS4 from being exactly like the xbox is exclusivity locked away from other platforms.  Sony seems to be taking notes from Microsoft in allowing formerly PS exclusive games on PC, like Flower and Journey.  I really doubt it would end with those two games.  It's already happening with xbox--  It's becoming a service.  Opening up the Xbox platform to windows 10 is a great idea, considering the install base.  Sony has done things before after microsoft, and I think that with windows being an open platform, it makes sense to open up the market to the PC users.

In the event that exclusives come to PC, what could a PS5 do, like the switch before it, in differentiating it from the PC enough to justify owning both, with games being equal?

Since you guys have totally missed the point of the thread, I've re-written it and added a photo of only my playstation consoles I have all of them...  (Yes, I have other consoles.)

It all really depends on your current situation and living style. If your younger living at home with your parent, going to college or working, this will greatly change your ideal way to play. Your living situation and gaming setup at home is a major factor. Depends if your a serious gamer or play casually. Controller vs Mouse/Keyboard gaming. Your current setup is probably more ideal for PC gaming. 

I think your total missing the point that yourself and anyone that write in these forums are not part of the casual market. Console has a greater appeal to the casual market, people that only want to play Call of Duty, Fifa, NBA & NFL for example

Doesn't mean that if your hardcore gamer you will only play on PC. Consoles gaming is meant to be stress free living room or where ever your TV is located experience. In my case I have a computer room, but I only use it for work and browsing the internet. We only have a Macbook Pro and Surface Pro in the house because I really don't want to game on PC. I have a gaming room setup in the basement that is ideal to play consoles and Nintendo Switch for gaming on the go. I setup my PS4 on the other TV in the main living room where it get used mostly for netflix or when I get around to Sony Exclusives.

If you want to play on screen bigger then 27" your best option is to play on consoles. Your also ignoring the entry price point of PC vs Consoles. Sure you can buy a gaming PC for $500  but really if your a hardcore gamer you'd never consider anything that cheap. If your concern about price, console is much better option. 

There many people that are currently still playing on OG PS4 and Xbox one ready to make the jump and people change in lifestyle that make playing on consoles much more attractive. Console gaming will eventually fade away mostly because of change in technology and reduce need for the consoles box to run the games. But, that in the future for now consoles gaming is stronger then ever and next gen is going bigger then this gen of consoles. 

  

 






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Burning Typhoon said:

That's why resident evil 7 did so well being streamed to the switch?  Streaming video games in this day sucks.  If you don't have any issues with streaming, or don't see a problem with it, you're a casual.  No way around it.

The servers are only available in Japan for streaming RE7 so anyone outside the country testing it isn't saying much. PS Now on the other hand which is a global service has just under 2M subscribers per month right now. It's not just cloud gaming that the Switch should be just worried about but another aspect of streaming which is remote play where you can stream games from your own home console on the go which has high potential to deliver a far more impressive technical experience ... 

Burning Typhoon said:

About the Wii U, I didn't care for it.  Nor did I care for any Nintendo console, for that matter.  The switch is the first nintendo console I ever thought was worth buying, and even then, I got mine new from the store at 200 dollars, in december 2017, less than a year after the release.  2.5 hours of battery is great for me.  It lasts long enough for me on one full charge.  It's not like I'm going to have much time to play the thing while I'm out and about anyway.  Also, it's a 200 dollar console.  I rarely ever take it anywhere away from home anyway.

Then speak for yourself because the main selling point of a Nintendo system is being portable and having their exclusives but if you're not going to use it away from then that just lowers the value ...

Also, just because you got your Switch at $200 does not mean you can ignore it's official MSRP which is still $300 but I wonder if you would see value in the Switch at $300 ...

Burning Typhoon said: 

And I did feel like the hardware was good.  For a while, I literally had nothing to play on the thing, but I didn't regret my purchase because I liked the hardware and I knew I would eventually get stuff for it.  God forbid I actually appreciate how far technology has come.

It sounds more like favouritism than any rational consumer. The vast majority of the consumers buys a system when shit gets released for it, not whenever promises of shit releases for it ... 

God forbid indeed and that is pointing out that streaming from a home console has more potential than the Switch or any other portable/mobile systems out there. It's too bad you don't appreciate the fruits of telecommunications technology either ... 



 

yvanjean said:

It all really depends on your current situation and living style. If your younger living at home with your parent, going to college or working, this will greatly change your ideal way to play. Your living situation and gaming setup at home is a major factor. Depends if your a serious gamer or play casually. Controller vs Mouse/Keyboard gaming. Your current setup is probably more ideal for PC gaming.

I think your total missing the point that yourself and anyone that write in these forums are not part of the casual market. Console has a greater appeal to the casual market, people that only want to play Call of Duty, Fifa, NBA & NFL for example

Doesn't mean that if your hardcore gamer you will only play on PC. Consoles gaming is meant to be stress free living room or where ever your TV is located experience. In my case I have a computer room, but I only use it for work and browsing the internet. We only have a Macbook Pro and Surface Pro in the house because I really don't want to game on PC. I have a gaming room setup in the basement that is ideal to play consoles and Nintendo Switch for gaming on the go. I setup my PS4 on the other TV in the main living room where it get used mostly for netflix or when I get around to Sony Exclusives.

If you want to play on screen bigger then 27" your best option is to play on consoles. Your also ignoring the entry price point of PC vs Consoles. Sure you can buy a gaming PC for $500  but really if your a hardcore gamer you'd never consider anything that cheap. If your concern about price, console is much better option. 

There many people that are currently still playing on OG PS4 and Xbox one ready to make the jump and people change in lifestyle that make playing on consoles much more attractive. Console gaming will eventually fade away mostly because of change in technology and reduce need for the consoles box to run the games. But, that in the future for now consoles gaming is stronger then ever and next gen is going bigger then this gen of consoles. 

I can see the first point about living situations.  Consoles used to break on me when I was younger.  Nothing I was consciously doing, because I don't know why they broke to begin with.  But, if you have water damage, because a kid spilled orange juice, or, just tripped and fell over the entire thing, or something like that happening, maybe a console is better.  I think they'd be more likely to survive water damage, or a kid falling on it and knocking it down.  But, for the majority of us, that's not going to apply..  Though, I just remembered I knocked over a water pitcher that was sitting on my desk.......  Thank goodness it was empty, lol.  I need stuff to drink when im using my electronics, though.  But, if I hadn't drank the entire pitcher, I'd probably have a big issue and no PC right now.

Controller vs. Keyboard/mouse doesn't exist on PC.  I can use both on PC without issues.  That's not how it works.  Controllers have pressure sensitivity.  In games where that is needed, you use a controller.  Everywhere else, you use a keyboard.  A controller offers no other advantages for those that take the time to use both.  Regardless, though, the point being, using a PC does not mean you have to use a mouse and keyboard if you don't want.  Batman Arkham knight is one of those games I can not touch with a keyboard.  I forget what key does what, and have all kinds of trouble trying to scale buildings.  But, on a controller, I know exactly where everything is.  That's the only game, for me, where I will use a controller over a keyboard without giving it any thought.  Everything else, it's mouse and keyboard, except racing games, and it fighting games, it just depends on what I feel like using at the moment.  Sometimes I play on controller, sometimes i play with a keyboard.

On console, you can only use controllers, for the most part.  If you're able to use a mouse and keyboard, unless you need pressure sensitivity, there is no reason to not use a keyboard, except, "I don't know where the keys are."

My PC also has an HDMI port and 3 displayport ports.. it's like HDMI, except it can allow more data to be transfered.  For simplicity, let's just say I have 4 HDMI ports on my PC.  Now, my 27 inch monitor is 2560 x 1440, and my 24 inch monitor is 1920 x 1080.  They both have options for over 140FPS, so that is the benefit to having them with the other being the display lag being less.  My TV, which is on the wall, literally less than 3 feet away from my monitors, is 4096 x 2160 and 50 inches.  It's bigger, but has an extra 12ms of display lag, or so, and obviously a higher resolution.  The faster refresh and more FPS is more appealing than a larger screen.  Because I have multiple ports on my PC, all three of them are connected at the same time, and it's not like setting up one over the other is a hassle.  It's already connected.  On a console, your only option for multi-display is cloned displays.  I can have a game on one monitor, web browser on another, and my capture software on another.

As far as price considerations, yes, I wouldn't consider anything like a 500 dollar PC.  However, that would still be better than what the consoles can do, so in that case, if my goal is to only play Call of Duty, and Sports games, I would simply play them on PC.  They would look and run better than they do on consoles, so a 500 dollar PC wouldn't be out of the question.

The last time I tried playing a game on my base PS4, there was massive amounts of stutter... in a 30 fps game.  It was Detroit: Become Human, and I couldn't make it very far in that game.  This was after I'd already beaten it on my PS4 Pro.  The idea was to move the PS4 to another room, and I'll get some use out of it...  Never touched it.

With all of that said, though, I have every Playstation.  PS1, and multiples of PS2, PS3 and PS4.  PSP, PS Vita and PSTV.  I've also got multiple sega consoles, and a nintendo switch.  Then, I have my PC.

My opinion isn't the rule, but understand too, that I don't consider myself a PC or a console gamer, since I can play whatever I want on any monitor or TV I want.  As someone with the option to play both, or whatever I may, despite building my first PC in 2016, and being strictly a Playstation/sega console owner until that point, I see real benefits of gaming on PC that I didn't know of in 2016 before I built my first PC.



Burning Typhoon said:
Shiken said:

It is all about price and exclusives. Some do not want to spend the extra money on a higher performing PC and at that point, you may as well go console. Why would anyone that wants to play God of War 5, Horizon 2, Zelda, Xenoblade, Death Stranding, ghost of tsushima, etc sink the money on a PC when their PS5/Nintendo console can play those same games anyway?

There are some enthusiasts that will, but most will not. They want their one or two consoles to play their exclusive and multiplat games on and that is it. It really is that simple.

Well, I would do that because my PC is stronger than all of my consoles.  But, like I've said, my PC isn't fitting in my pocket, so there's reason to buy switch games.

 

You would, like other enthusiasts that fit that minority.  However I am answering your question in terms of the general consumer.

 

I want to play God of War 5 and Horizon 2 for example, so I am getting a PS5 without question.  However seeing as how my PS5 will also be able to play all major games that come to PC, I see no reason to invest in one unless it is a significant leap ahead of the console I will already own.  But even then, it feels like a wasted investment to invest in such a beast of a machine.  With that in mind, I am just fine with a PS5 and Switch combo until it is no longer an option or Sony screws up so royally that I no longer want their games.

 

This is how the average consumer sees it, and that is the answer to your question of why we bother to buy consoles next gen.  And for the record I have the money for a sick gaming PC, I can get one at any time.  However seeing how I already have access to the games it would have to offer, I am not willing to part with those funds for the initial investment.  I am sorry if you have trouble understanding that, but it is how most consumers look at things when it comes to their purchases.

 

And there is nothing wrong with being an enthusiast, we all have our own values.  Just understand that you are the minority and just because you do not have a reason to buy a next gen console, that it does not mean most other people feel the same way.



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Shiken said: 

You would, like other enthusiasts that fit that minority.  However I am answering your question in terms of the general consumer.

 

I want to play God of War 5 and Horizon 2 for example, so I am getting a PS5 without question.  However seeing as how my PS5 will also be able to play all major games that come to PC, I see no reason to invest in one unless it is a significant leap ahead of the console I will already own.  But even then, it feels like a wasted investment to invest in such a beast of a machine.  With that in mind, I am just fine with a PS5 and Switch combo until it is no longer an option or Sony screws up so royally that I no longer want their games.

 

This is how the average consumer sees it, and that is the answer to your question of why we bother to buy consoles next gen.  And for the record I have the money for a sick gaming PC, I can get one at any time.  However seeing how I already have access to the games it would have to offer, I am not willing to part with those funds for the initial investment.  I am sorry if you have trouble understanding that, but it is how most consumers look at things when it comes to their purchases.

 

And there is nothing wrong with being an enthusiast, we all have our own values.  Just understand that you are the minority and just because you do not have a reason to buy a next gen console, that it does not mean most other people feel the same way.

As to say, help me find a reason to get one.  Not that I was against it, or anyone who thought against owning a PC.  That's why I re-wrote my initial post and included a picture of all my PS consoles so you couldn't label me as some PC elitist.

But, whatever.  I just bought a CECHA-01 PS3 last week.  It's the white one in the picture.  It has full backwards compatibility with PS2 games, I finally found one and got it.  You know what would make me interested in a PS5?  Backwards compatibility with all the previous consoles.

I just got a BC PS3, which covers my US released games.  I would import a PS5 if it had backwards compatibility for the sake of my Japanese PS1 & PS2 game discs being usable in true HD.  It would make my Japanese PS2 useless, but whatever.   I just want the hardware itself to be good.



deskpro2k3 said: 

TLDR: It's not a negative owning a playstation console, it's more of a net gain. I can always expect Sony's first party studio to deliver high quality games that appeals to me, and that is what it really boils down to. My PC is for anything else that pushes my GPU, and MMOs.

So what's the ent plus for owning a beefy PC when what you said before holds true in your own eyes?:

deskpro2k3 said:

I have a ton more exclusives on my PS4, making my investment in the console 100% worth it. In contrast I only have a select few must haves multiplatform games that actually utilize the GPU in my PC.

That's twice you've put a net plus in a console/Sony's favor, where's the net plus/boon for owning the rig?. I know we have this little "goes without saying" thing until someone like me brings this up, but why does it even have to be that way?. I know we're going to get into some little kerfuffle because I just pointed this out, but I'd love to bypass that and simply get to the "why didn't you bring it up?". part, that is, if there is a boon/net plus to having a beefy rig, despite what you said earlier.