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Chazore said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

they are also using games that aren't sold on consoles like Warhammer, WoW, League of Legends, etc. I was never arguing that consoles were going to take back everything and lock it away forever. I simply stated a fact. Console revenue was more than PC revenue in 2018. Simple as that. 

The problem with the "dominoes" argument is that it assumes two things. It assumes that ad revenue from F2P games are the same as sales revenue. It assumes that mobile games, and AAA games are fighting for the same market. 

And where are the really old games not being sold on PC that are being sold on current gen that make the money that LoL does to this day?. The list they have for games not sold are current gen based, not last gen based because last gen isn't being counted in for profits and revenue, that's the big difference here. 

You stated a fact, but that doesn't mean to say that this year or next, the opposite will occur. It's why I'll never bother to assume "it's here and now", because here and now isn't going to matter in the next 2-50 years. Simple as that for 2018 yes, without a doubt, does it matter in the long-run, with how we're moving towards all digital and streaming?, no, not really.

AAA and mobile aren't the same, but you're also assuming AAA>anything else, but you'll also assume mobile>everything else, the latter actually makes a factual correction over the former, because it simply has the most users and makes the most money. Have you seen Candy crush and other games out there that take far less effort to craft and make far more money and have far more users than what it takes to craft one exclusive for one plastic box?. I wouldn't assume more effort/more time put into something>something that took less effort and time, as if it makes less money than the former, while the former does make far less money than the latter. Just take a gander at SP games, yeah, they sell well, but online based games are making more per user dumping into those systems on a daily basis.

Most of what you are saying makes zero sense, because your formatting is so bad. Fix your grammar, and then I'll understand what you are trying to say. 

Edit: Oh, screw it I'll respond anyway.

Yes, LoL is really old and still makes a lot of money. Your point? 

Last gen games aren't being counted for profits? Where did you get that idea? If anything, it's the older console games, being sold in used game stores, that don't get tracked as revenue. 

Moving towards all digital/streaming =/= moving towards all PC/Mobile. 

 I'll assume that AAA is better than anything else, and that mobile is better than anything else? That makes zero sense. More importantly it is not what I'm assuming. 

Yes, mobile is better at milking money out of consumers. Your point? 

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Cerebralbore101 said:
Chazore said:

And where are the really old games not being sold on PC that are being sold on current gen that make the money that LoL does to this day?. The list they have for games not sold are current gen based, not last gen based because last gen isn't being counted in for profits and revenue, that's the big difference here. 

You stated a fact, but that doesn't mean to say that this year or next, the opposite will occur. It's why I'll never bother to assume "it's here and now", because here and now isn't going to matter in the next 2-50 years. Simple as that for 2018 yes, without a doubt, does it matter in the long-run, with how we're moving towards all digital and streaming?, no, not really.

AAA and mobile aren't the same, but you're also assuming AAA>anything else, but you'll also assume mobile>everything else, the latter actually makes a factual correction over the former, because it simply has the most users and makes the most money. Have you seen Candy crush and other games out there that take far less effort to craft and make far more money and have far more users than what it takes to craft one exclusive for one plastic box?. I wouldn't assume more effort/more time put into something>something that took less effort and time, as if it makes less money than the former, while the former does make far less money than the latter. Just take a gander at SP games, yeah, they sell well, but online based games are making more per user dumping into those systems on a daily basis.

Most of what you are saying makes zero sense, because your formatting is so bad. Fix your grammar, and then I'll understand what you are trying to say. 

I may not agree completely with him, but his gramar and formatting are just fine.If you dont agree with his point of view, just say so.



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Cerebralbore101 said:

Most of what you are saying makes zero sense, because your formatting is so bad. Fix your grammar, and then I'll understand what you are trying to say. 

So you're basically bowing out then?. Alright. 



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Chazore said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

Most of what you are saying makes zero sense, because your formatting is so bad. Fix your grammar, and then I'll understand what you are trying to say. 

So you're basically bowing out then?. Alright. 

Nah, see above. I wanted to at first. Not bow out, but rather leave confused. Because I still don't understand half of what you are trying to say. But I responded anyway. :P




Chazore said:
deskpro2k3 said: 

TLDR: It's not a negative owning a playstation console, it's more of a net gain. I can always expect Sony's first party studio to deliver high quality games that appeals to me, and that is what it really boils down to. My PC is for anything else that pushes my GPU, and MMOs.

So what's the ent plus for owning a beefy PC when what you said before holds true in your own eyes?:

deskpro2k3 said:

I have a ton more exclusives on my PS4, making my investment in the console 100% worth it. In contrast I only have a select few must haves multiplatform games that actually utilize the GPU in my PC.

That's twice you've put a net plus in a console/Sony's favor, where's the net plus/boon for owning the rig?. I know we have this little "goes without saying" thing until someone like me brings this up, but why does it even have to be that way?. I know we're going to get into some little kerfuffle because I just pointed this out, but I'd love to bypass that and simply get to the "why didn't you bring it up?". part, that is, if there is a boon/net plus to having a beefy rig, despite what you said earlier.

 

For me the netgain in having a beefy rig is so I can play Star Citizen which I forgot to mention since it's still in alpha. This is a unique case because Star Citizen is such a powerful game that it's only possible on PC, and I like to play MMORPGs like FFXIV on PC. Metro and DMC5 is prime examples of multiplatform games that fully utilize a beefy GPU so my investment in my rig is worth it for all of that.

So as of right now I have 1 PC exclusive game, and a bunch of PlayStation exclusives. I hope this answers your question.



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I'm not a huge fan of the games as a service model so hopefully that doesn't become the standard *cough* google *cough*

But anyway, I honestly don't see myself picking up another console for the forseeable future, after getting an XB One in '15, Switch in '17, and One X in '18. I think I'm set for awhile.

The next closet thing to buying gaming related hardware I could maybe see myself investing in is a new gaming PC, as my 2013 PC is starting to show its age a bit, but we're still talking 2 or 3 more years down the line even for THAT.



 

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if all games come to PC then yeah there is no reason to buy the hardware



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Cerebralbore101 said:
Chazore said:

So you're basically bowing out then?. Alright. 

Nah, see above. I wanted to at first. Not bow out, but rather leave confused. Because I still don't understand half of what you are trying to say. But I responded anyway. :P


I saw above my own post, and other user was able to read what I'd typed out just fine. If you want to bow out, that is also fine.

deskpro2k3 said:
Chazore said:

So what's the ent plus for owning a beefy PC when what you said before holds true in your own eyes?:

That's twice you've put a net plus in a console/Sony's favor, where's the net plus/boon for owning the rig?. I know we have this little "goes without saying" thing until someone like me brings this up, but why does it even have to be that way?. I know we're going to get into some little kerfuffle because I just pointed this out, but I'd love to bypass that and simply get to the "why didn't you bring it up?". part, that is, if there is a boon/net plus to having a beefy rig, despite what you said earlier.

 

For me the netgain in having a beefy rig is so I can play Star Citizen which I forgot to mention since it's still in alpha. This is a unique case because Star Citizen is such a powerful game that it's only possible on PC, and I like to play MMORPGs like FFXIV on PC. Metro and DMC5 is prime examples of multiplatform games that fully utilize a beefy GPU so my investment in my rig is worth it for all of that.

So as of right now I have 1 PC exclusive game, and a bunch of PlayStation exclusives. I hope this answers your question.

YEah, that coincides with the "few" games part. It's only possible on PC, but if we follow the next gen and gen after that assumptions, it'd only be a "matter of time". You can also play XIV on PC, like others do as well.

Mmn, yeah, I can play DMC V on my rig as well, quite well in fact, along with REmake 2, but do they look massively different, like Crysis 1 good, for the hw I'm sporting?, nah, not all that much. Good performance, but that is what we should always expect from competent devs, not "oh these guys did good this time around,a ll the other games must be legit demanding (yet they're designed to run on base lv console hw, so no, hardly legit demanding if they don't look as different). Metro is giving a run for the money, but that's largely in the RT dept, which at this moment is factually a rip-off by all marks (Ask Linus and other youtubers as well as the market on PPP value, it's really not worth £1300+ for first gen real time RT).

It answers a part of it, but at the same time it raises a new one. If your PS4 was 100% worthwhile investment, then surely beefing up a rig in the future and having 2-3 games "using" said rig makes that 100% well worth it each and every time? (if we go by that logic and also meaning fewer games on PC being used).



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Chazore said:
 
deskpro2k3 said:

 

For me the netgain in having a beefy rig is so I can play Star Citizen which I forgot to mention since it's still in alpha. This is a unique case because Star Citizen is such a powerful game that it's only possible on PC, and I like to play MMORPGs like FFXIV on PC. Metro and DMC5 is prime examples of multiplatform games that fully utilize a beefy GPU so my investment in my rig is worth it for all of that.

So as of right now I have 1 PC exclusive game, and a bunch of PlayStation exclusives. I hope this answers your question.

YEah, that coincides with the "few" games part. It's only possible on PC, but if we follow the next gen and gen after that assumptions, it'd only be a "matter of time". You can also play XIV on PC, like others do as well.

Mmn, yeah, I can play DMC V on my rig as well, quite well in fact, along with REmake 2, but do they look massively different, like Crysis 1 good, for the hw I'm sporting?, nah, not all that much. Good performance, but that is what we should always expect from competent devs, not "oh these guys did good this time around,a ll the other games must be legit demanding (yet they're designed to run on base lv console hw, so no, hardly legit demanding if they don't look as different). Metro is giving a run for the money, but that's largely in the RT dept, which at this moment is factually a rip-off by all marks (Ask Linus and other youtubers as well as the market on PPP value, it's really not worth £1300+ for first gen real time RT).

It answers a part of it, but at the same time it raises a new one. If your PS4 was 100% worthwhile investment, then surely beefing up a rig in the future and having 2-3 games "using" said rig makes that 100% well worth it each and every time? (if we go by that logic and also meaning fewer games on PC being used).

 

I'm a gamer, I like games, so If I see a game that I want to play then I'll get what is necessary to play it. It's worth it for me even if it means less games on my PC. My pc has a specific role, to play beefy games.

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deskpro2k3 said: 

I'm a gamer, I like games, so If I see a game that I want to play then I'll get what is necessary to play it. It's worth it for me even if it means less games on my PC. My pc has a specific role, to play beefy games.

You're a gamer, yes, we know this. 

Your earlier comment made a vouch for it being well worth the investment, but the latter comment afterwards didn't really indicate as such, making it sound like it wasn't a good investment, hence why I questioned in the first place. So less games is all that's needed to be a sound investment for a beefy rig?. I'll take that as a resounding yes. 



Step right up come on in, feel the buzz in your veins, I'm like an chemical electrical right into your brain and I'm the one who killed the Radio, soon you'll all see

So pay up motherfuckers you belong to "V"