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fatslob-:O said:

I am not making any excuses why PS Now will never take off. There's a very real serious downside to PS Now yet your refusal to acknowledge this just comes off as bitterness to the fact that your favourite platform holder will likely never be at the level of their main competitor nor will their competitor degrade themselves to that level either ... 

PS games STILL REQUIRE a PS platform and that's exactly what PS Now is which is a cloud gaming platform ... (whether the individual or the service provider owns the hardware makes no difference in this instance) 

The comparison to Netflix isn't apt either since they do not offer interactive entertainment. Games STILL NEED to run on hardware yet you can't grasp this so out of desperation you compare the medium to pure video content which only needs data to function but this is not true for games. You need hardware but you're just renting it you opt in for cloud gaming ... (cloud gaming is only as viable as the service providers infrastructure)

Console gaming is going nowhere in the near future and dedicated hardware still has a purpose in establishing a permanent customer base but PS Now numbers are nowhere near as optimistic as you suggest it'll be. PS Now made a total of $143M during Q3 of 2018 and each subscriber spent $25 per month which translates to just under 2M active subscribers per year on average. Selling >2M subscribers does not even hold a candle to selling 10M+ hardware units per year ... (bigger audience indeed the better for higher software revenue but this doesn't make competition among platform holders more equal since PS Now is already the most dominant cloud gaming service so their competitor still has to offer more compelling content) 

I am going to make this very brief with you. You don't need Sony hardware to play Sony games thanks to Sony's services in PSNow which enables those who don't own a PS4 to stream its games. No one is cherry picking anything. The point remains the same. PSNow is not hardware. But if you want to make it clear that Sony own's PSNow than bravo, that's nice, thanks for reminding all of us all since I didn't know that PSNow stand for PlayStation Now. (Sarcasm)

If there is no future for Streaming (PSNow) Sony wont be investing millions and expanding the services. With the addition to remote play on iOS devices this opens up the doors for bigger and better things, weather you like it or not.

Lets not compare an industry that's booming in the console market to a service that's just getting started. Of course there's a lot of console owners and subscribers, in due time Streaming will have its fair share of the market once it evolves. PSNow is going to get a lot bigger. 



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fatslob-:O said:
Azzanation said:

You just keep contradicting yourself.

You just said in a post before "How does one escape Sony without buying their home console"

I answered PSNow.

 

Cherry pick much ?

"How does one escape Sony without buying their home console or keeping subscription to their cloud service if the customers still want their games ?"

You might want to stop bending my quotes so hard out context ... 

Azzanation said:

Now you are making excuses to why PSNow will never take off. Umm PSNow is an alternative to owning a PS platform so your previous point is invalid. No difference to MS's strategy with Xbox on PC. You have accepted the fact PSNow exists so you know you don't require a PS platform to play PS games. (If PSNow is available)

This isn't about who makes the money or weather the quality is better, its about weather or not you need the hardware to play the games. Ask Netflix. 

As much as you like to defend console gaming, Hardware doesn't make as much money as software so selling 100m+ consoles isn't as good as selling 100m+ software. The bigger the audience the better chance software can sell. That's business.

 

I am not making any excuses why PS Now will never take off. There's a very real serious downside to PS Now yet your refusal to acknowledge this just comes off as bitterness to the fact that your favourite platform holder will likely never be at the level of their main competitor nor will their competitor degrade themselves to that level either ... 

PS games STILL REQUIRE a PS platform and that's exactly what PS Now is which is a cloud gaming platform ... (whether the individual or the service provider owns the hardware makes no difference in this instance) 

The comparison to Netflix isn't apt either since they do not offer interactive entertainment. Games STILL NEED to run on hardware yet you can't grasp this so out of desperation you compare the medium to pure video content which only needs data to function but this is not true for games. You need hardware but you're just renting it you opt in for cloud gaming ... (cloud gaming is only as viable as the service providers infrastructure)

Console gaming is going nowhere in the near future and dedicated hardware still has a purpose in establishing a permanent customer base but PS Now numbers are nowhere near as optimistic as you suggest it'll be. PS Now made a total of $143M during Q3 of 2018 and each subscriber spent $25 per month which translates to just under 2M active subscribers per year on average. Selling >2M subscribers does not even hold a candle to selling 10M+ hardware units per year ... (bigger audience indeed the better for higher software revenue but this doesn't make competition among platform holders more equal since PS Now is already the most dominant cloud gaming service so their competitor still has to offer more compelling content) 

Weren't you just arguing a few days ago that streaming was going to make the need for Switch obsolete but now your argument is that streaming will not hurt consoles and they are here to stay?



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Azzanation said:

I am going to make this very brief with you. You don't need Sony hardware to play Sony games thanks to Sony's services in PSNow which enables those who don't own a PS4 to stream its games. No one is cherry picking anything. The point remains the same. PSNow is not hardware. But if you want to make it clear that Sony own's PSNow than bravo, that's nice, thanks for reminding all of us all since I didn't know that PSNow stand for PlayStation Now. (Sarcasm)

If there is no future for Streaming (PSNow) Sony wont be investing millions and expanding the services. With the addition to remote play on iOS devices this opens up the doors for bigger and better things, weather you like it or not.

Lets not compare an industry that's booming in the console market to a service that's just getting started. Of course there's a lot of console owners and subscribers, in due time Streaming will have its fair share of the market once it evolves. PSNow is going to get a lot bigger. 

@Bold It is cherry picking and your point doesn't stand anymore so just because you don't need PS hardware does not mean you do not need a PS platform but PS Now more importantly is still a PS platform. Just because Sony doesn't solely offer hardware does not mean that they aren't going to provide the platforms ... 

Sony are not investing in PS Now as strongly as you seem to think so the future clearly is not mutually exclusive between either cloud gaming or dedicated home consoles. Heck, their revenue from PS+ subscription service destroys their PS Now service revenue and PS+ is very high quality revenue since it has lower maintenance costs which translates to far higher profit margins than running their cloud gaming servers ... 

A service that's "just getting started" ? Are you kidding me or what ?! OnLive launched in 2010 and in the next year Gaikai launched their service well both of which were the original entry contestants in the market but both of them were bought by Sony not too long after their launch. Sony's predecessors basically had experience in cloud gaming services prior to the start of this generation yet last year as the leading provider they can only manage consistently less than 2M active subscribers ... 

This is despite the fact that EA (Project Atlas), Google (Project Stream), Microsoft (Project xCloud) and Nvidia (GeForce NOW) have yet to officially launch their services in full capacity all the while Sony has leadership cloud gaming services AND in dedicated gaming hardware sales ... (I'm fairly certain now that your posts comes off as jealousy against the market leader rather than rational thought) 

If you can't see the synergy created between dedicated gaming platforms and providing cloud services then there's no hope for you to see beyond your shallow 'multiplatform' statement ... 

zorg1000 said:

Weren't you just arguing a few days ago that streaming was going to make the need for Switch obsolete but now your argument is that streaming will not hurt consoles and they are here to stay?

Aren't there more than one future for streaming ? Streaming is a boon for home systems in general whether it'd be gaming hardware farms or your home console ... 



If we go to the start of gaming, let's call it Atari it sold more than 2M system in under 7 years... so saying PSNow having 2M is because it is just the start is wrong.

For PSNow and other streaming to become bigger and more mainstream will take time more because of technology, access and cost/benefit not just because they just started.

I rather pay 400 at launch and use for 60 months, and if regular customer 12 games at 60 usd another 720, total 1120 USD in 60 months or under 20 bucks a month than renting and never owning a console for more than this cost. Mind you that you can buy more games and cheaper than 60, and possibly expend less buying console and game than renting. Not a good money decision to go to Streaming (with lower quality) imho.



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