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I mean I had the exact same reaction. The character comes across as awfully generic at a first glance. By simply changing his race they would already be breaking the mold because there are not many games based off scruff black or asian men. You guys just need to accept that until there is equal opportunity and representation and these comments will never be treated the same as someone saying it about a minority.



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ArchangelMadzz said:

From what I can tell from your quote they seem to go on to say how they grew to like the character despite their original reaction to a very common character canvas?

 

Edit: Yeah the write goes on about how much they empathised with him etc. 

 

People seem very quick to get outraged at any sort of mention like this, when it doesn't take much to think that he clearly meant that a white guy beardy scruffy main character has been beat to death. 

Fair enough, but then why add the description "white" at all? 

What ever mental gymnastics people use to justify it - it's a racist statement, made by a writer of a major publication, which is absurd that that's even allowed - and yes I realize we're probably overrepresented in entertainment, and that as a whole, we have it pretty good in the West, but that's besides the point.



 

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"While I’ll admit that I initially rolled my eyes at yet another Gruff White Male Protagonist™ in a grim world - especially one with such a Gruff White Male Protagonist™-ey name as Deacon St. John - I ended up getting far more invested than I’d initially expected."

This is what the writer said.  It's right there.  I have no earthly idea how people are trying to downplay the ignorance of this sentence.  He made a baseless assumption based on the appearance of the character, period.  The very fact that he admits to being wrong perfectly illustrates just how idiotic such assumptions are.  

Even beyond that, where is common sense in the first place?  How the bloody fuck is a survivor in a post-apocalyptic world supposed to look?  Oh, no, he didn't shave this morning!  He looks awfully gruff!  Is he supposed to be wearing a tuxedo?  Maybe a sturdy sweater vest?  

We know what this is about.  The character is a white male.  Take the same character and change the race or gender and the writer wouldn't be complaining about "gruff" anything.

Forget that, though.  It's kind of laughable that this kind of generalization is only acceptable because he's a white male but it's not what bothers me.  As a reader, I come across something like this and all I can think is that I can't take this writer seriously.  Before he even begins, he's going to assume that he knows all about the character?  That's more than just ignorance, that's flat out stupidity.  How about learning about the character BEFORE MAKING IDIOTIC ASSUMPTIONS?  Why not try THAT?  The same with all these, "oh, he looks like a boring character because there are other characters who look generally similar."  I mean, the fuck?  What a character looks like is often one of the least important aspects.

Yes, ultimately the writer was just trying to be witty while scoring a few brownie points with his direction of choice but the end result is that it makes him look less than intelligent.  Not really a criteria that I seek out with reviewers.  

Last edited by pokoko - on 06 March 2019

Reading the context of it, I don't think he meant it as he shouldn't be white, but rather your typical type of Protagonist we have seen in many recent games.

It is similar to how when people describe a suspect to the police they throw in colour.



 

 

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Mr Puggsly said:
CosmicSex said:
He was trying to say that initially he thought the character was going to be a troppy scruffy one dimensional white male stereotype. He was glad that he was not.
Stop the outrage. He said nothing wrong.
As a black man, if he said he was worried that a black character would be a troppy black stereotype. I would understand and I do not find that offensive. Stop looking for opportunities to become a victim. It is very unattractive and just tire at this point.
The wave in 2019 is a victim pity party trying to attract white men into wanting to play the victim. Pretending that anything that isn't some stereotype white male is an attack on the white race... White people in and of themselves are far more complex than that. Please stop.

"While I’ll admit that I initially rolled my eyes at yet another Gruff White Male Protagonist™ in a grim world - especially one with such a Gruff White Male Protagonist™-ey name as Deacon St. John."

I'm calling bullshit. He's flat out saying he saw a white guy and assumed the worse. Why even mention race and gender? Its not something that would have even crossed my mind.

On a side note, Crackdown 3 should get praise from IGN for having a gruff black guy as the lead. But I guess we only attack games for not doing that.

 

pokoko said:

"While I’ll admit that I initially rolled my eyes at yet another Gruff White Male Protagonist™ in a grim world - especially one with such a Gruff White Male Protagonist™-ey name as Deacon St. John - I ended up getting far more invested than I’d initially expected."

This is what the writer said.  It's right there.  I have no earthly idea how people are trying to downplay the ignorance of this sentence.  He made a baseless assumption based on the appearance of the character, period.  The very fact that he admits to being wrong perfectly illustrates just how idiotic such assumptions are.  

Even beyond that, where is common sense in the first place?  How the bloody fuck is a survivor in a post-apocalyptic world supposed to look?  Oh, no, he didn't shave this morning!  He looks awfully gruff!  Is he supposed to be wearing a tuxedo?  Maybe a sturdy sweater vest?  

We know what this is about.  The character is a white male.  Take the same character and change the race or gender and the writer wouldn't be complaining about "gruff" anything.

Forget that, though.  It's kind of laughable that this kind of generalization is only acceptable because he's a white male but it's not what bothers me.  As a reader, I come across something like this and all I can think is that I can't take this writer seriously.  Before he even begins, he's going to assume that he knows all about the character?  That's more than just ignorance, that's flat out stupidity.  How about learning about the character BEFORE MAKING IDIOTIC ASSUMPTIONS?  Why not try THAT?  The same with all these, "oh, he looks like a boring character because there are other characters who look generally similar."  I mean, the fuck?  What a character looks like is often one of the least important aspects.

Yes, ultimately the writer was just trying to be witty while scoring a few brownie points with his direction of choice but the end result is that it makes him look less than intelligent.  Not really a criteria that I seek out with reviewers.  

I completely agree with both of you.



DarthMetalliCube said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

From what I can tell from your quote they seem to go on to say how they grew to like the character despite their original reaction to a very common character canvas?

 

Edit: Yeah the write goes on about how much they empathised with him etc. 

 

People seem very quick to get outraged at any sort of mention like this, when it doesn't take much to think that he clearly meant that a white guy beardy scruffy main character has been beat to death. 

Fair enough, but then why add the description "white" at all? 

What ever mental gymnastics people use to justify it - it's a racist statement, made by a writer of a major publication, which is absurd that that's even allowed - and yes I realize we're probably overrepresented in entertainment, and that as a whole, we have it pretty good in the West, but that's besides the point.

Because there aren't a million games out there with a gruffy gravel voice bearded Asian dudes. 

It's not a racist statement. When I watch a TV show and see a character and think 'oh great, another loud angry black female character'. It's not racist to say that, it's okay to be tired of a character trope that's been over done because the first thing you think of is the lack of imagination that went into it. If I said 'oh great anther black female character' or 'oh great other white male' that would be racist. 



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2 Genders: Male and 'Political Agenda'
2 Hairstyles for female characters: Long and 'Political Agenda'
2 Sexualities: Straight and 'Political Agenda'

morenoingrato said:
Kerotan said:

Skin colour should be irrelevant. If someone met me would they say "oh great another generic white person with a beard. BORING". IMO this thought process is deeply flawed.

Definition: "Outrage is an intense feeling of anger and shock."

Yeah sorry buddy but I'm not feeling that. On my holidays chilling on a canary island beach 😂 

Man, those must be some lousy vacations if you find time to create and respond to this thread.

Currently doing rehab for a knee injury so those fun holidays I usually do are off the list. Chilling by the beach is just what the doctor ordered. Nice gym here to do my rehab as well. 



ArchangelMadzz said:
DarthMetalliCube said:

Fair enough, but then why add the description "white" at all? 

What ever mental gymnastics people use to justify it - it's a racist statement, made by a writer of a major publication, which is absurd that that's even allowed - and yes I realize we're probably overrepresented in entertainment, and that as a whole, we have it pretty good in the West, but that's besides the point.

Because there aren't a million games out there with a gruffy gravel voice bearded Asian dudes. 

It's not a racist statement. When I watch a TV show and see a character and think 'oh great, another loud angry black female character'. It's not racist to say that, it's okay to be tired of a character trope that's been over done because the first thing you think of is the lack of imagination that went into it. If I said 'oh great anther black female character' or 'oh great other white male' that would be racist. 

Well that's where we disagree then I suppose. A simple observation or describing attributes is one thing, but if it's inferred that the color of one's skin somehow makes for a negative attribute (or even a small factor), I don't see how that can be construded as anything other than a racist observation, at least to a small degree. 

I totally get that there are certain "tropes" that I feel would be a positive for arts and entertainment to steer from and utilize more unique, underrepresented attributes. But I don't know.. for my money at least - a person's (real or fictional) personality, actions, overall character, etc is far far more important than simply the way they look, especially with baked in traits like race. But maybe that's just me. 



 

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John2290 said:
Walbert said:
IGN, Polygon, Kotaku and all the rest can go F themselves.

This. They have weasled their way into gaming fandom and tried to tear it apart, some times it looks like they are succeeding too. The only way they can stay relevant, even if this is not a case of it, is to insert politics in and hoard of certain demographics through that such as women. We'd be better off if they failed and just pissed off, gaming should be one of those things where politics should naturally fall away given how you engage with it, how people bond with it across divides but no, these outlets continually pump politics in from their spirally little duck dicks.

You think those online magazines had an evil plot to bring politics into the gaming community?

What's now going on in gaming already happened in literature and cinema it's just the natural evolution of every medium.