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CosmicSex said:
He was trying to say that initially he thought the character was going to be a troppy scruffy one dimensional white male stereotype. He was glad that he was not.
Stop the outrage. He said nothing wrong.
As a black man, if he said he was worried that a black character would be a troppy black stereotype. I would understand and I do not find that offensive. Stop looking for opportunities to become a victim. It is very unattractive and just tire at this point.
The wave in 2019 is a victim pity party trying to attract white men into wanting to play the victim. Pretending that anything that isn't some stereotype white male is an attack on the white race... White people in and of themselves are far more complex than that. Please stop.

"While I’ll admit that I initially rolled my eyes at yet another Gruff White Male Protagonist™ in a grim world - especially one with such a Gruff White Male Protagonist™-ey name as Deacon St. John."

I'm calling bullshit. He's flat out saying he saw a white guy and assumed the worse. Why even mention race and gender? Its not something that would have even crossed my mind.

On a side note, Crackdown 3 should get praise from IGN for having a gruff black guy as the lead. But I guess we only attack games for not doing that.



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Kerotan said:
LudicrousSpeed said:
You’d think it was the IGN writer suffering from outrage culture but it was actually the OP all along, assuming a racist angle was being played when in reality the writer was just tired of generic white dude as the biker character.

Skin colour should be irrelevant. If someone met me would they say "oh great another generic white person with a beard. BORING". IMO this thought process is deeply flawed.

Definition: "Outrage is an intense feeling of anger and shock."

Yeah sorry buddy but I'm not feeling that. On my holidays chilling on a canary island beach 😂 

You're confusing real life with how someone chooses to consume entertainment and their personal feelings about it. Whoever wrote the article is tired of generic scruffy white dude in their games. Entirely irrelevant to how they feel about races in every day life. Furthermore I think the fact that this is a game featuring a biker just adds to that fatigue. It's extremely rare in media that you see a biker who isn't some scruffy white dude. It happens, but very rare. Also, outrage and outrage culture are not the same thing. You saw a comment about race and it triggered you into making this thread, and you did so without giving the article deeper thought, you assumed they were just bitching about representation. That's outrage culture at its finest.


morenoingrato said:
Kerotan said:

Skin colour should be irrelevant. If someone met me would they say "oh great another generic white person with a beard. BORING". IMO this thought process is deeply flawed.

Definition: "Outrage is an intense feeling of anger and shock."

Yeah sorry buddy but I'm not feeling that. On my holidays chilling on a canary island beach 😂 

Man, those must be some lousy vacations if you find time to create and respond to this thread.

Gotta say, that is pretty weird. When I go on vacation I unplug. To each their own though.



Mr Puggsly said:
CosmicSex said:
He was trying to say that initially he thought the character was going to be a troppy scruffy one dimensional white male stereotype. He was glad that he was not.
Stop the outrage. He said nothing wrong.
As a black man, if he said he was worried that a black character would be a troppy black stereotype. I would understand and I do not find that offensive. Stop looking for opportunities to become a victim. It is very unattractive and just tire at this point.
The wave in 2019 is a victim pity party trying to attract white men into wanting to play the victim. Pretending that anything that isn't some stereotype white male is an attack on the white race... White people in and of themselves are far more complex than that. Please stop.

"While I’ll admit that I initially rolled my eyes at yet another Gruff White Male Protagonist™ in a grim world - especially one with such a Gruff White Male Protagonist™-ey name as Deacon St. John."

I'm calling bullshit. He's flat out saying he saw a generic scruffy breaded white guy and assumed he would be like many other generic scruffy bearded protagonists and was pleasantly surprised that they added depth to his character. Why even mention race and gender? Its not something that would have even crossed my mind.

On a side note, Crackdown 3 should get praise from IGN for having a gruff black guy as the lead. But I guess we only attack games for not doing that.

Fixed for you. 



0D0 said:
Regardless, I reckon nobody's allowed to say "yet another Black character" in any circumstance whatsoever without being called racist. Even on the right context, there are certain criticisms that can only be said about white people.

Yesterday on Twitter I saw I tweet saying something like "only shitty white males like it". I wonder if we can tweet something like "only shitty black males like it" without being called the police upon.

This a great way to test if something is racist or sexist. Replace white for any other race. Or put female in for male. If it sounds horrible to you after doing that, the original comment was racist/sexist.

Mr Puggsly said: 
CosmicSex said: 
He was trying to say that initially he thought the character was going to be a troppy scruffy one dimensional white male stereotype. He was glad that he was not.
Stop the outrage. He said nothing wrong.
As a black man, if he said he was worried that a black character would be a troppy black stereotype. I would understand and I do not find that offensive. Stop looking for opportunities to become a victim. It is very unattractive and just tire at this point. 
The wave in 2019 is a victim pity party trying to attract white men into wanting to play the victim. Pretending that anything that isn't some stereotype white male is an attack on the white race... White people in and of themselves are far more complex than that. Please stop.

"While I’ll admit that I initially rolled my eyes at yet another Gruff White Male Protagonist™ in a grim world - especially one with such a Gruff White Male Protagonist™-ey name as Deacon St. John."

I'm calling bullshit. He's flat out saying he saw a white guy and assumed the worse. Why even mention race and gender? Its not something that would have even crossed my mind.

On a side note, Crackdown 3 should get praise from IGN for having a gruff black guy as the lead. But I guess we only attack games for not doing that.

Exactly. He just saw a white dude and assumed the worst. If the character was any other race, this guy wouldn't have said a thing about that, even though it changes the way the character is represented from ads none whatsoever 



LuccaCardoso1 said:
He didn't roll his eyes because the character's male or because the character's white. He rolled his eyes because the character looks just like a ton of other protagonists out there, who just happen to be white, male and gruff. It has nothing to do with "reverse racism" or any political agenda you might be trying to imply here, but instead with the sameyness in the appearence of video game protagonists.

said what I was thinking.  people will still be outraged tho I'm sure



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I mean I had the exact same reaction. The character comes across as awfully generic at a first glance. By simply changing his race they would already be breaking the mold because there are not many games based off scruff black or asian men. You guys just need to accept that until there is equal opportunity and representation and these comments will never be treated the same as someone saying it about a minority.



ArchangelMadzz said:

From what I can tell from your quote they seem to go on to say how they grew to like the character despite their original reaction to a very common character canvas?

 

Edit: Yeah the write goes on about how much they empathised with him etc. 

 

People seem very quick to get outraged at any sort of mention like this, when it doesn't take much to think that he clearly meant that a white guy beardy scruffy main character has been beat to death. 

Fair enough, but then why add the description "white" at all? 

What ever mental gymnastics people use to justify it - it's a racist statement, made by a writer of a major publication, which is absurd that that's even allowed - and yes I realize we're probably overrepresented in entertainment, and that as a whole, we have it pretty good in the West, but that's besides the point.



I love the race threads on this site. They are always enlightening, lol.



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"While I’ll admit that I initially rolled my eyes at yet another Gruff White Male Protagonist™ in a grim world - especially one with such a Gruff White Male Protagonist™-ey name as Deacon St. John - I ended up getting far more invested than I’d initially expected."

This is what the writer said.  It's right there.  I have no earthly idea how people are trying to downplay the ignorance of this sentence.  He made a baseless assumption based on the appearance of the character, period.  The very fact that he admits to being wrong perfectly illustrates just how idiotic such assumptions are.  

Even beyond that, where is common sense in the first place?  How the bloody fuck is a survivor in a post-apocalyptic world supposed to look?  Oh, no, he didn't shave this morning!  He looks awfully gruff!  Is he supposed to be wearing a tuxedo?  Maybe a sturdy sweater vest?  

We know what this is about.  The character is a white male.  Take the same character and change the race or gender and the writer wouldn't be complaining about "gruff" anything.

Forget that, though.  It's kind of laughable that this kind of generalization is only acceptable because he's a white male but it's not what bothers me.  As a reader, I come across something like this and all I can think is that I can't take this writer seriously.  Before he even begins, he's going to assume that he knows all about the character?  That's more than just ignorance, that's flat out stupidity.  How about learning about the character BEFORE MAKING IDIOTIC ASSUMPTIONS?  Why not try THAT?  The same with all these, "oh, he looks like a boring character because there are other characters who look generally similar."  I mean, the fuck?  What a character looks like is often one of the least important aspects.

Yes, ultimately the writer was just trying to be witty while scoring a few brownie points with his direction of choice but the end result is that it makes him look less than intelligent.  Not really a criteria that I seek out with reviewers.  

Last edited by pokoko - on 06 March 2019

Reading the context of it, I don't think he meant it as he shouldn't be white, but rather your typical type of Protagonist we have seen in many recent games.

It is similar to how when people describe a suspect to the police they throw in colour.