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You’d think it was the IGN writer suffering from outrage culture but it was actually the OP all along, assuming a racist angle was being played when in reality the writer was just tired of generic white dude as the biker character.



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This feels like an exaggeration. All he was saying was he was tired of seeing characters which are boring and generic, and they usually fall into that type of character. Also, gruff is not a body type? Unless you're talking about the white part ... in which case that's not a body type either?

It honestly sounds like this will be exaggerated to appear more harmful than it really is. It's like when that review site said Far Cry 5's story was disappointing because it didn't try to say anything interesting about politics, and somehow people interpreted that as the writer saying he didn't like sympathetic republicans.



LudicrousSpeed said:
You’d think it was the IGN writer suffering from outrage culture but it was actually the OP all along, assuming a racist angle was being played when in reality the writer was just tired of generic white dude as the biker character.

Skin colour should be irrelevant. If someone met me would they say "oh great another generic white person with a beard. BORING". IMO this thought process is deeply flawed.

Definition: "Outrage is an intense feeling of anger and shock."

Yeah sorry buddy but I'm not feeling that. On my holidays chilling on a canary island beach 😂 



I think your original post is a bit naive (maybe on purpose, not sure). The writer's minor issue* is more about representation in the medium than just hating white men. It's not even that much of an insult, if at all. I personally don't really care, just make the story compelling enough. Based on his impressions, it sounds like he is at least a compelling character.



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Kerotan said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

The initial reaction is not because white guys aren't seen as equals, it's becausethe character sounds boring, this is because gruffy bearded white guy with a voice like gravel has been overdone. But they made the character in days gone really interesting which was noted in the next paragraph. 


Well I wonder if a writer said "oh look yet another female lead" would it go down as well. The bottom line is him being white should be a complete non issue. His skin colour full stop a non issue. 

Okay lets try this again.

It's not BECAUSE he's white and that's it. It's because of the type of character, a gravely voice, scruffy breaded white guy. It's very very common.

People don't say 'oh look another female character' they say 'oh look another defenceless female character' or 'oh look another ghetto black character' or 'oh look another funny bubbly fat guy, never seen that before' 

 

None of these things I just said are sexist, racist or body shaming etc. It's just a boring character type. You're getting hung up on the wrong thing. 



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Kerotan said:
LudicrousSpeed said:
You’d think it was the IGN writer suffering from outrage culture but it was actually the OP all along, assuming a racist angle was being played when in reality the writer was just tired of generic white dude as the biker character.

Skin colour should be irrelevant. If someone met me would they say "oh great another generic white person with a beard. BORING". IMO this thought process is deeply flawed.

Definition: "Outrage is an intense feeling of anger and shock."

Yeah sorry buddy but I'm not feeling that. On my holidays chilling on a canary island beach 😂 

Man, those must be some lousy vacations if you find time to create and respond to this thread.



IGN, Polygon, Kotaku and all the rest can go F themselves.



forevercloud3000 said:
Dulfite said:
Most games in Japan are catered towards what the Japanese want to see, so you don't exactly see a lot of white or black people in those games and, when you do, their stereotypes are greatly exaggerated (huge eyes on white people, for instance). Am I offended by that? No. That is their market and they do what makes sense.

Here are demographic breakdowns of the United States:
*These numbers may not be exact, but we can update after the 2020 census*

U.S.
63% white
17% Latino/Hispanic
13.1% Black
5.1% Asian
1.2% Native American

If a game is catered towards the American/European Market, then it makes sense for it to often, if not the majority of the time, have white main characters. People need to stop being so offended. This is simply capitalism at work.

I get what you are saying and I agree what someone else posted, that video game writers are just going with what they know. If they are white they are likely to write white characters.

Yet I would point out that video games are not perportionate to the demographic you cited. And I have seen some charts that put the margin of white in america is 40-50% now. This is not properly demonstrated in media because 90%+ is white male, not 50%. Almost all movies/video games of yesterday and today have the same exact archtype white male leads. The number of video games that put a Black or hispanic(god forbid....an asian) main character on it are very slim. Mafia III, Dishonored 3, GTA San Andreas, Just Cause, Watch Dogs 2, Sleeping Dogs and.......I think that is about it. It gets really dicey when you bring in the fact that 50% of the population is female yet still..... 90%+ of the leads are male.  I can probably name more than 100 games with character archtypes as the Previewer stated.

The few games that are experimenting with diversification are selling less(except in the case of games like GTA SA), even when in a anthology series. Why is this? The quality of the game itself could very well be different but at least part of that factor is thought to be white male gamers have a harder time identifying with characters that are not on some level similar to them, or at least the pennacle masculine archtype they are used to. This is often sited as a capitalistic reason on why games do not deviate too often from the traditional. Yet if this even is the case, I would state that black/hispanic/asian/women/etc have been consuming video games for a long time, combined make up 40-50% of the marketshare,  yet have always just been expected to be able to find common denominator with characters that don't look anything like them.

 

And then people complain about anyone wanting to see a little more diversity, not even in race....just give us some variance from the gruff white male lead. Give me a bookwormy clean shaven guy with a normal voice.  Sure, it feels pandering now but developers,fans  and critics alike seek to make up for lost time.

Not sure what source says whites are only 40-50%, I have yet to see any official numbers that look like that. Usually, looking at official Census sources, it is somewhere between 55-65%.

Also, if they are catering towards American market, that means they are catering towards the main gamer demographic, not releasing games proportionally to our demographic base. If whites are the majority of Americans, then it makes sense that 90% of games (if that's true?) have white main characters, because that is the majority market. I am speaking from a business standpoint, I have no personal concerns over what race characters are and I don't really care one way or another (if a game is good, not inappropriate, has a good story, and is fun then I generally enjoy it).

Regarding females, while they have half of the population how much of the gaming population do they have? Again, I don't care what race or male/female they are.



He was trying to say that initially he thought the character was going to be a troppy scruffy one dimensional white male stereotype. He was glad that he was not.
Stop the outrage. He said nothing wrong.
As a black man, if he said he was worried that a black character would be a troppy black stereotype. I would understand and I do not find that offensive. Stop looking for opportunities to become a victim. It is very unattractive and just tire at this point.
The wave in 2019 is a victim pity party trying to attract white men into wanting to play the victim. Pretending that anything that isn't some stereotype white male is an attack on the white race... White people in and of themselves are far more complex than that. Please stop.



Sony should just say he's Hispanic. That's a character I could relate with, a Hispanic people assume is a white male.



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