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Eagle367 on 24 February 2019

I know it doesn't make sense but in some weird twist of fate, the switch ends up getting psNow and gamepads. Then switch will have everything, granted the 3rd parties will be stream only and it might kill off third parties(big ones) even trying to make games for the switch but still. Nintendo will clearly be the last to jump on the streaming bandwagon and if Sony realises that they have to compete with gamepads, they might also release it everywhere. That would be odd to see.



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ShadowSoldier on 24 February 2019

I think the real difference is being able to download all the Xbox Game pass games directly to the console and makes for a much better gaming experience. Hopefully the PS5 is able to Emulate the cell because that's whats really holding PS Now back from being a true threat.



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dharh on 25 February 2019

Streaming is the future, however it is not in the nearest future. The problem is that everything will be streaming. TV, movies, games, etc. Right now in the biggest markets the bandwidth is _not_there in the slightest and it will still take a few years at best for it to be the mainstream.  Imagine the average household in America streaming everything.   The bandwidth will be immense.

Not a single company has the market locked down. Take it to the bank that neither this gen or next gen will tell us who wins this thing for the long haul.  All predictions are vastly pre-mature.



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gamingsoul on 25 February 2019

I'm very concerned about having an all gaming streaming future, it could sink the quality of games in general, look what happened to movies and music, if people can have hundreds of new games for 20 bucks per month why should game companies spends millions of dollars developing games or even worse they would flood games with paid dlc to increase the profit(not that they don't do it now but imagine how worse it could get, almost like phone games).
Microsoft is doing that right now because they are in the last place so they are just giving away their games to get people's attention, I hope Sony and Nintendo don't follow that trend and keep selling their exclusives at full price, I think we gamers should be concerned with this new trend it could really damage hard this industry, remember people make games because they want to earn money and games like Zelda and uncharted cost millions of dollars to make.



LudicrousSpeed on 25 February 2019
gamingsoul said:
I'm very concerned about having an all gaming streaming future, it could sink the quality of games in general, look what happened to movies and music, if people can have hundreds of new games for 20 bucks per month why should game companies spends millions of dollars developing games or even worse they would flood games with paid dlc to increase the profit(not that they don't do it now but imagine how worse it could get, almost like phone games).
Microsoft is doing that right now because they are in the last place so they are just giving away their games to get people's attention, I hope Sony and Nintendo don't follow that trend and keep selling their exclusives at full price, I think we gamers should be concerned with this new trend it could really damage hard this industry, remember people make games because they want to earn money and games like Zelda and uncharted cost millions of dollars to make.

How have music or movies suffered at all? Studios still spend tons of money on movies. Artists still release a lot of music. Seems a stretch to think it will affect games in any negative way. 



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The_Liquid_Laser on 25 February 2019
LudicrousSpeed said:
gamingsoul said:
I'm very concerned about having an all gaming streaming future, it could sink the quality of games in general, look what happened to movies and music, if people can have hundreds of new games for 20 bucks per month why should game companies spends millions of dollars developing games or even worse they would flood games with paid dlc to increase the profit(not that they don't do it now but imagine how worse it could get, almost like phone games).
Microsoft is doing that right now because they are in the last place so they are just giving away their games to get people's attention, I hope Sony and Nintendo don't follow that trend and keep selling their exclusives at full price, I think we gamers should be concerned with this new trend it could really damage hard this industry, remember people make games because they want to earn money and games like Zelda and uncharted cost millions of dollars to make.

How have music or movies suffered at all? Studios still spend tons of money on movies. Artists still release a lot of music. Seems a stretch to think it will affect games in any negative way. 

Movies are mostly doing fine.  Music is doing terrible though.  If you look at the financials of the Music Industry compared to today, then you'll see they really are in the toilet now.

But the Movie Industry is mostly fine.  The devil is in the details as they say.  Streaming isn't necessarily a bane or a boon.  It's all in how it is executed.



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DonFerrari on 25 February 2019
Pemalite said:
forevercloud3000 said:

Gamepass has stable downloads to play on XB1 but this raises the question, how will this service work for next gen and their plan to touch other devices? STREAMING is the only answer to that, as you cannot play native games coded for other consoles. So PSNow is actually ahead of the curve for what is supposed to be MS's master plan with the service

For starters... There is this thing called "Virtualization", "Binary Translation", "Abstraction" and "Emulation" that allows for Microsofts current backwards compatibility efforts to be a drop in on next-gen hardware/other devices with minimal effort.

forevercloud3000 said:

PSNow earned around $143 Million out of the total $273 Million made in Game Subscriptions in 2018w has.

Of course that's going to happen. Sony has a larger piece of the console market than Microsoft.

Azzanation said:
PSNow and GamePass are different services at the current rate. PSNow is a Streaming service on multiple devices while GamePass is exclusive to the Xbox One from what I know of. However the big difference with the two is that PSNow is a standard Streaming services while GamePass will most likely become a Streaming service that connects to XCloud that would (Should) offer premium Streaming abilities.

You can stream Gamepass titles to PC via the Windows 10 Xbox app I think... You still need a console to do the heavy lifting/rendering though.

We had users swear XBL Gold have more subscribers than PS+ and that they make more money out of it than Sony and all the 2:1 HW Sony have this gen is irrelevant because of it.

zorg1000 said:
Soundwave said:

Well I mean you just said it right ... they just recently started offering PS4 content ... that's ridiculous, lol. There was no technical reason to not offer that years ago. 

Youre missing my point. You're right that they could/should have added it earlier but if they didnt care and didnt want it to succeed than why are  they trying to add value to it? If they didnt care than they would have just left PS4 games off of it forever.

They also just announced last month that the service is coming later this year to Spain, Italy, Portugal, Norway, Denmark, Finland & Sweden. Kind of weird to add regions to the service you dont want to succeed.

Sony doesn't care, they paid several hundred million dollars on Gaikai just for the giggles.

Soundwave said:
forevercloud3000 said:

My point is GamePass purpose is to eventually lead into Streaming(to be on more than just Xbox) which PSNow has beaten it to the punch in that regard. Not to mention, Sony added the ability to directly download a large portion of the games just like XB1 so that is a moot point.

The quality disparity could def be a big factor...but I question how much.  As Sony just said in their Keynote they had a week ago, average consumers do not look at games in pixel ratios. Sure, they latch on to the buzz words but mostly they just want to be able to have the experience for the cheapest and most unhindered.  Most of the kids playing on PC are using dated monitors and hardware by Elite Pro standards. Phones and Switch also are not sporting 4K visuals and why would they need to? People will go with what has more of perceived value, usually quality vs Price. 

PSNow can be the inferior performing streaming service....but if it is the service with more games and more exclusives on the devices that people predominantly own......then it can maintain it's lead. Not to mention no matter what MS does, their service will not have Sony exclusives which are likely a service seller and decider.

Sony is going to get trampled, if not by MS, by Amazon or Google. 

They are small potatoes compared to those companies and they have a major conflict of interest with streaming becoming too good. They can't make the service too good because then the problem is a lot of people will start to ask why they even need a PS5. MS doesn't really care if you buy a physical XBox or not. Obviously Google or Amazon don't care. That's a huge difference. 

For a 5 year old service PSNow is very poor. How is it they don't even have support for smartphones or tablets? What decade are they in? 2002? 

Yes they will, as MS have tramped PS4 this gen as promised because of their infinity money.

lansingone said:
Pretty sure the only reason MS is doing day one games on game pass is because with their current cycle of games, they make more money. If they increase their yearly output, they'd start losing money. It's currently 120 per year, so if they release 2 AAA games in one year, and the average subscriber played them both, they would probably lose money right there because if they have 3rd party games on it, they'll need to pay those publishers something. I wouldn't be surprised if they dropped the day one rule for next gen.

They also do it because they are on the losing end so needs positives. Sony offered free MP on PS3 (with those codes for second hand tried and failed) because X360 was fierce competitor, but put it behind PS+ this gen.

Conina said:
forevercloud3000 said:

The Playstation PSNow page advertises 275+ games available for download to the console. I am not sure which are the ones available.

So you are just throw around some numbers all the time and don't even know what you are talking about? That's hilarious!

To help you a bit... it ain't THAT complicated to find out which games are downloadable and which are streaming only: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_Now_games

You were also talking about "an exclusive library in the hundreds". The PS Now library has hundreds of games, but only a small fraction of them is exclusive.

I believe he wanted to say exclusives to the service compared to GamerPass.

The_Liquid_Laser said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

How have music or movies suffered at all? Studios still spend tons of money on movies. Artists still release a lot of music. Seems a stretch to think it will affect games in any negative way. 

Movies are mostly doing fine.  Music is doing terrible though.  If you look at the financials of the Music Industry compared to today, then you'll see they really are in the toilet now.

But the Movie Industry is mostly fine.  The devil is in the details as they say.  Streaming isn't necessarily a bane or a boon.  It's all in how it is executed.

Movies/Series cost less to make, are faster to produce and have a much bigger audience, so that is one big reason for streaming on it being possibly less damaging than in gaming.

 

@Thread with Sony allowing download on PSNow for games that run native on the system of PS4, plus rumor of full BC on PS5, PSNow may offer just about all streaming and download from all digitalized library of PS on it, with streaming only option to be on other devices.



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Intrinsic on 25 February 2019
JWeinCom said:

PSNow has been around a lot longer than Gamepass.  Not surprising that it has more subscribers, and more games for that matter.

Essentially people are saying they think that Gamerpass is doing it better and is the more exciting prospect.  And your response is that PSNow has more market share... which is true, but doesn't actually address the arguments people are making.

Thing with that though is that its just biased nonsense.

Why? Because they are not the same thing. 

If someone says they prefer being able to download all the games on the service as opposed to stream them then thats another matter. And thats an arument about local play vs streaming.

But as it stands, one service offers only game downloads and is promising to soon start offering game streaming. The other service offers primarily game streaming and is offering to fully support (cause they partially already do) game downloads.

So why would anyone even feel the need to compare the two? Or someone say xcloud that doesn't even exist yet is better than something that does. Makes no sense.



Pemalite on 25 February 2019
DonFerrari said:
Pemalite said:

Of course that's going to happen. Sony has a larger piece of the console market than Microsoft.

We had users swear XBL Gold have more subscribers than PS+ and that they make more money out of it than Sony and all the 2:1 HW Sony have this gen is irrelevant because of it.

At one point it might have been true as Microsoft was coming from a very successful Xbox 360 console.
But the Playstation 4 has been dominating the sales charts for years now, so they would have taken the leed as the 7th gen devices faded.

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JWeinCom on 25 February 2019
Intrinsic said:
JWeinCom said:

PSNow has been around a lot longer than Gamepass.  Not surprising that it has more subscribers, and more games for that matter.

Essentially people are saying they think that Gamerpass is doing it better and is the more exciting prospect.  And your response is that PSNow has more market share... which is true, but doesn't actually address the arguments people are making.

Thing with that though is that its just biased nonsense.

Why? Because they are not the same thing. 

If someone says they prefer being able to download all the games on the service as opposed to stream them then thats another matter. And thats an arument about local play vs streaming.

But as it stands, one service offers only game downloads and is promising to soon start offering game streaming. The other service offers primarily game streaming and is offering to fully support (cause they partially already do) game downloads.

So why would anyone even feel the need to compare the two? Or someone say xcloud that doesn't even exist yet is better than something that does. Makes no sense.

They're both services that offer access to a library of games that could be played without limit for a flat fee.  The delivery method is somewhat different for now, but ultimately they're similar enough that they're very comparable.  If I were choosing to buy a console, having access to one or the other would be rather important and I may definitely want to compare them.  

I bought a PS4 a while ago, but if I were choosing again today, PSNow vs Gamepass would be a huge factor in my decision and may swing my opinion the other way.