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Are they?

Yes 43 67.19%
 
No 11 17.19%
 
Yes, but they will pop-up again outside EA 10 15.63%
 
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John2290 said:

As much shit as Inquisition gets, it was a good game and more importantly for bioware it was successful for EA along with the two before it even if they have given up on ME with Andromeda hopefully they haven't given up on DA. 

Anthem... Oh lad, that was going to be a failure in any good are fans eyes no matter what. They would have done so much better with it had they focused on copying destiny instead of trying to bring single player RPG elements into it. Should have been honest and refined their loiter shooter. 

Inquisition is a great game and I've logged my 2nd most hours on it out of all games I've played this gen (playing it again now). People complained about petty things like "There's too many fetch quests.", there are hardly any and if you don't want to collect the shards, don't. 50% of the larger missions are linear paths like DA:O and then we have an open world full of varied locals and missions, plus the epic dragon fights. My only issues were lack of dick options in dialogue (I can't be an elf who thinks humans are dicks) and high tier loot is only attainable from end game dragons and aren't as good as some craftable items.

I don't understand why in 2014 when it came out (5 years ago) they didn't start immediately working on the next one. It was well received by critics, sold really well. Since Bioware have released 2 (both of which didn't meet expectations of the series set before it) and cancelled 1 (Shadow Realms could have been a rival to Diablo for all we know). Anthem seems to lack Bioware's strength which is why it fails because even with gameplay shortcomings, stories could keep you invested (weirdly was the other way around for me in ME:A).

Now, I feel we might never get a DA4, I wanted to punch Solas again. 



Hmm, pie.

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The Fury said:

Inquisition is a great game and I've logged my 2nd most hours on it out of all games I've played this gen (playing it again now). People complained about petty things like "There's too many fetch quests.", there are hardly any and if you don't want to collect the shards, don't. 50% of the larger missions are linear paths like DA:O and then we have an open world full of varied locals and missions, plus the epic dragon fights. My only issues were lack of dick options in dialogue (I can't be an elf who thinks humans are dicks) and high tier loot is only attainable from end game dragons and aren't as good as some craftable items.

I don't understand why in 2014 when it came out (5 years ago) they didn't start immediately working on the next one. It was well received by critics, sold really well. Since Bioware have released 2 (both of which didn't meet expectations of the series set before it) and cancelled 1 (Shadow Realms could have been a rival to Diablo for all we know).

Now, I feel we might never get a DA4, I wanted to punch Solas again. 

2014 also happened to be the year that Destiny came out. And the year that Bioware started work on Anthem.

My guess is, EA ordered Bioware to begin working on a Destiny-type game after seeing the insane amount of hype it got (not realizing that said hype was due to Bungie's reputation and the impressive demo visuals, instead of the fact that it was a grindy loot shooter), Bioware thought "Cool, everyone said that Destiny didn't live up to its potential, we can show them how it's really done", but various circumstances conspired to make the finished product a trainwreck.



OlfinBedwere said:
The Fury said:

Inquisition is a great game and I've logged my 2nd most hours on it out of all games I've played this gen (playing it again now). People complained about petty things like "There's too many fetch quests.", there are hardly any and if you don't want to collect the shards, don't. 50% of the larger missions are linear paths like DA:O and then we have an open world full of varied locals and missions, plus the epic dragon fights. My only issues were lack of dick options in dialogue (I can't be an elf who thinks humans are dicks) and high tier loot is only attainable from end game dragons and aren't as good as some craftable items.

I don't understand why in 2014 when it came out (5 years ago) they didn't start immediately working on the next one. It was well received by critics, sold really well. Since Bioware have released 2 (both of which didn't meet expectations of the series set before it) and cancelled 1 (Shadow Realms could have been a rival to Diablo for all we know).

Now, I feel we might never get a DA4, I wanted to punch Solas again. 

2014 also happened to be the year that Destiny came out. And the year that Bioware started work on Anthem.

My guess is, EA ordered Bioware to begin working on a Destiny-type game after seeing the insane amount of hype it got (not realizing that said hype was due to Bungie's reputation and the impressive demo visuals, instead of the fact that it was a grindy loot shooter), Bioware thought "Cool, everyone said that Destiny didn't live up to its potential, we can show them how it's really done", but various circumstances conspired to make the finished product a trainwreck.

You've pretty much nailed it. IIRC they had already gotten deep into the concept stages of DA4 but everything was put on the back burner for Anthem. 



Launch week physical sales are down by half in the UK compared to Mass Effect Andromeda, which itself had half the first week physical sales that Mass Effect 3 had, so Anthem 1st week physical is 1/4th Mass Effect 3 in the UK. I know console digital is much bigger now, and that alot of people prefer digital for an online game like Anthem, but this still does not paint a pretty picture for the game, in the UK at least. EA wanted to sell 6m copies worldwide before the end of March, at this point I'll be surprised if it sells 3m before the end of March personally. I fear for Bioware's future, EA might just pull a Maxis/Visceral and close them instead of doing the smart thing and letting them work on Dragon Age 4 and a new KOTOR before the Star Wars deal expires in 2023 like they should.

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2019-02-25-anthem-physical-sales-half-mass-effect-andromeda



Certainly looks that way, although to be honest, to me BioWare hasn't seemed very healthy in a long time. Also, good riddance. Perhaps I've missed the best games, but so far, BioWare's games have been pretty far from what you might think considering their reputation. Maybe once I get to play some of BioWare's games I've missed, I'll think otherwise though.



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Zkuq said:
Certainly looks that way, although to be honest, to me BioWare hasn't seemed very healthy in a long time. Also, good riddance. Perhaps I've missed the best games, but so far, BioWare's games have been pretty far from what you might think considering their reputation. Maybe once I get to play some of BioWare's games I've missed, I'll think otherwise though.

Personally I've only played KOTOR, Dragon Age: Origins, and Dragon Age: Inquisition by them. KOTOR and DA:O are truly great, Inquisition was only decent-good though, didn't deserve the GOTY win in 2014 imo, was helf back by repetitive MMO style side quests and some poor writing. Haven't played Mass Effect yet, was waiting on EA to do a remaster trilogy for it, but amazingly they haven't decided to do one this gen even though it would basically print money, hopefully they decide to do it next gen. Also waiting on a remaster to play Jade Empire, so hopefully something comes of this



shikamaru317 said:
Zkuq said:
Certainly looks that way, although to be honest, to me BioWare hasn't seemed very healthy in a long time. Also, good riddance. Perhaps I've missed the best games, but so far, BioWare's games have been pretty far from what you might think considering their reputation. Maybe once I get to play some of BioWare's games I've missed, I'll think otherwise though.

Personally I've only played KOTOR, Dragon Age: Origins, and Dragon Age: Inquisition by them. KOTOR and DA:O are truly great, Inquisition was only decent-good though, didn't deserve the GOTY win in 2014 imo, was helf back by repetitive MMO style side quests and some poor writing. Haven't played Mass Effect yet, was waiting on EA to do a remaster trilogy for it, but amazingly they haven't decided to do one this gen even though it would basically print money, hopefully they decide to do it next gen. Also waiting on a remaster to play Jade Empire, so hopefully something comes of this

I haven't played KotOR but I have played DA:O and while I did enjoy it, I never got around to finishing it since I felt all the dungeons become a chore very quickly. Also, the game was structured in a very unimaginative manner, which made it feels more like a game and less like... an experience. It's not a bad game and I still hope to finish it some day, but it just didn't do it for me. On another note, I definitely wouldn't recommend the first Mass Effect. Then again, I'm not a huge fan of BioWare either, so you probably shouldn't listen to me. Jade Empire is a game I really want to like but when I got to try it on PC a bit many years ago, I didn't really like the controls and didn't get very far into the game. I think I might be able to get into it if I tried properly, but now I have a pretty big backlog...

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Zkuq said:
shikamaru317 said:

Personally I've only played KOTOR, Dragon Age: Origins, and Dragon Age: Inquisition by them. KOTOR and DA:O are truly great, Inquisition was only decent-good though, didn't deserve the GOTY win in 2014 imo, was helf back by repetitive MMO style side quests and some poor writing. Haven't played Mass Effect yet, was waiting on EA to do a remaster trilogy for it, but amazingly they haven't decided to do one this gen even though it would basically print money, hopefully they decide to do it next gen. Also waiting on a remaster to play Jade Empire, so hopefully something comes of this

I haven't played KotOR but I have played DA:O and while I did enjoy it, I never got around to finishing it since I felt all the dungeons become a chore very quickly. Also, the game was structured in a very unimaginative manner, which made it feels more like a game and less like... an experience. It's not a bad game and I still hope to finish it some day, but it just didn't do it for me. On another note, I definitely wouldn't recommend the first Mass Effect. Then again, I'm not a huge fan of BioWare either, so you probably shouldn't listen to me.

Yeah, I've heard alot of bad things about Mass Effect 1 gameplay, and the graphics and performance are rough as well on console, even on XB1 X BC it still drops frames apparently. It's why I decided to wait on a possible Mass Effect Trilogy Remaster or Remake collection, because I feel like EA would probably fix the gameplay and performance in ME1 if they do remaster/remake the trilogy. Also, the director for the series said that he wanted to integrate the DLC's into the trilogy if he does get to remake them, so that you play them when they are supposed to fall chronologically.  

I definitely recommend KOTOR 1 (and 2) to you, if you haven't played them, unlike ME1 they do play just fine on XB1 and XB1 X backwards compatibility, or you can get them on PC and mod them. Though I do wish that EA would remake them as well. It's strange, EA is well known to be a greedy publisher, but while every other publisher has been tossing out remasters, remakes, and straight up ports of earlier gen games recently, EA hasn't been. I feel like a Mass Effect trilogy Remaster/Remake collection and KOTOR 1 and 2 Remaster/Remake collection would basically print money, you'd think EA would be all up on that action, but instead they just keep tossing GaaS games with lootboxes at us instead, sigh. 

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shikamaru317 said:

I definitely recommend KOTOR 1 (and 2) to you, if you haven't played them, unlike ME1 they do play just fine on XB1 and XB1 X backwards compatibility, or you can get them on PC and mod them. Though I do wish that EA would remake them as well.

I actually own them both on GOG, PC. :P It's just that I haven't had the time to play them. I also played ME1 on PC, and while performance wasn't great IIRC, I don't think it was too bad.

shikamaru317 said:

It's strange, EA is well known to be a greedy publisher, but while every other publisher has been tossing out remasters, remakes, and straight up ports of earlier gen games recently, EA hasn't been. I feel like a Mass Effect trilogy Remaster/Remake collection and KOTOR 1 and 2 Remaster/Remake collection would basically print money, you'd think EA would be all up on that action, but instead they just keep tossing GaaS games with lootboxes at us instead, sigh. 

Maybe their GaaS strategy is what keeps the remakes away. If you could get games in a subscription, it might be harder to sell them separately as well.



It's unfortunately looking likely. That said, they can still salvage Anthem and make it work financially, but it'll take some pretty rapid updates, good press in a few months time and decent marketing to pull it off. Initial sales are important to establish a user base but the real money gets made later down the line.

I really hope EA don't close them down as I'm still hopeful of a decent Dragon Age game, a follow up to Mass Effect (Andromeda had enough of a starting point for sequels to build on), KoToR and the often forgotten Jade Empire.