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COKTOE on 14 February 2019
Chris Hu said:
eva01beserk said:

so your saying that forza games are selling less and less with each iteration? Makes sense. yearly releases make series fatigue so much quicker. Most likely the first one on next gen will sell well, then drop as the gen goes. seen one seen them all when there is literally no change yearly as are most simulation games.

Forza Horizon 4 is on pace to sell more then the third one did also there will be no new Forza game this year so you are wrong on both points.

 

flashfire926 said:
eva01beserk said:

so your saying that forza games are selling less and less with each iteration? Makes sense. yearly releases make series fatigue so much quicker. Most likely the first one on next gen will sell well, then drop as the gen goes. seen one seen them all when there is literally no change yearly as are most simulation games.

Uhhh.... what? This year’s forza (likely the the forza of the gen) has surpassed last year’s iteration (motorsport 7) and is on track to surpass forza 5.

Are you just here to shitpost? The Horizon series is more arcade based and brings a lot of changes with each iteration.

I think it's because he can't see most of what's in the table.



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Faelco on 14 February 2019
gergroy said:
thismeintiel said:

Going by the vids I have seen, not surprised. The promise for Cloud computing in multiplayer definitely wasn't kept, either.

On a personal note, this is really why I wouldn't be interested in switching to Xbox next gen, even with all of the recent acquisitions MS made recently. They have some good talent, but it doesn't seem like the management is up to par with Sony and Nintendo on overseeing quality output. Promising games are cancelled, while the ones that have released recently have been underwhelming. It seems the only thing they have going for them, that seems to be consistent high quality, going into next gen is their Forza releases.

To be fair, the current Microsoft management was dealt a terrible hand this gen.  The previous management had shuttered most of the studios or driven off all the talent from the studios leaving them as shells of their former selves.  

I think the current management has done an ok job (not great) at limiting the damage that was done.  I do think they are setting themselves up pretty well for the next gen... but time will tell.  Xbox certainly seemed to take a step back from the 360 years this gen... but it looks like they may be poised for another step forward...

 

Phil Spencer was General Manager of Microsoft Studios since 2008, Vice President since 2009. Let's stop talking like if he wasn't a part of anything before 2014. He was directly involved, and was part of the "previous management". You complain about how the previous management managed the studios, and oh surprise, Phil Spencer was the one in charge of that. 

 

It would be nice to stop one day the "Don Mattrick is responsible of everything and Phil Spencer is a victim" excuse. 



Oneeee-Chan!!! on 14 February 2019

I remember they cancelled Scalebound.

But this bad game was ok. (PC version is meta 54)

Why ?



flashfire926 on 14 February 2019
CGI-Quality said:
flashfire926 said:

Uhhh.... what? This year’s forza (likely the the forza of the gen) has surpassed last year’s iteration (motorsport 7) and is on track to surpass forza 5.

Are you just here to shitpost? The Horizon series is more arcade based and brings a lot of changes with each iteration.

C'mon CGI, just read his post again. It's a clear drive-by.

"so your saying that forza games are selling less and less with each iteration? Makes sense. yearly releases make series fatigue so much quicker."

Red flag number one, he didnt even read the graph.

"Most likely the first one on next gen will sell well, then drop as the gen goes."

Again, you can see on the table that the fourth forza of this gen is the bestselling one. Even last gen, the first forza on 360 was the one that sold worst (forza 2).

"seen one seen them all when there is literally no change yearly as are most simulation games."

Half of them (Horizon series) are infact not simulation games, and are better classified as arcade racer (with a bit of simulation). Each entry improves on the prior significantly (except H2), and are significantly different from one another. Actually do your research if you actually want to make a post like this.

 



Bet with Intrinsic:

The Switch will outsell 3DS (based on VGchartz numbers), according to me, while Intrinsic thinks the opposite will hold true. One month avatar control for the loser's avatar.

flashfire926 on 14 February 2019
COKTOE said:

So, since the topic of what this game promised ages ago, as far as what cloud computing would add to the multiplayer equation ( and without getting into all the individual instances of what was at the very least hyperbolic marketing speak ) has been brought up in this thread, I thought I'd post this video of what was shown as pre-alpha in game footage in 2015 vs the reality of the 2019 release for those who haven't seen it and may be interested. It's absolutely one of the biggest downgrades in gaming history.

 

I'm pretty sure that even in 2015 they said it was merely a proof of concept tech demo and not at all indicative of the final game. 

Though yes, the game does definitely not look up to par. Infamous Second Son came out 5 years ago and still looks better.

Last edited by CGI-Quality - on 15 February 2019

Bet with Intrinsic:

The Switch will outsell 3DS (based on VGchartz numbers), according to me, while Intrinsic thinks the opposite will hold true. One month avatar control for the loser's avatar.

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flashfire926 on 14 February 2019
Hiku said:



So it could be that as a result of MS's own wishes, it went from a promising single player focused game, to a mediocre/bad multiplayer focused game.

Here's the thing tho, even in it's earlier showings the game looked rough and janky af. At that time people were criticizing it to hell and back. 

So you cant guarantee it was some state of the art single player experience. Infact, the evidence says otherwise.



Bet with Intrinsic:

The Switch will outsell 3DS (based on VGchartz numbers), according to me, while Intrinsic thinks the opposite will hold true. One month avatar control for the loser's avatar.

thismeintiel on 14 February 2019
CGI-Quality said:
flashfire926 said:

Uhhh.... what? This year’s forza (likely the the forza of the gen) has surpassed last year’s iteration (motorsport 7) and is on track to surpass forza 5.

Are you just here to shitpost? The Horizon series is more arcade based and brings a lot of changes with each iteration.

Just curious, any idea what he was actually responding to in that gif?

Faelco said: 
gergroy said: 

To be fair, the current Microsoft management was dealt a terrible hand this gen.  The previous management had shuttered most of the studios or driven off all the talent from the studios leaving them as shells of their former selves.  

I think the current management has done an ok job (not great) at limiting the damage that was done.  I do think they are setting themselves up pretty well for the next gen... but time will tell.  Xbox certainly seemed to take a step back from the 360 years this gen... but it looks like they may be poised for another step forward...

 

Phil Spencer was General Manager of Microsoft Studios since 2008, Vice President since 2009. Let's stop talking like if he wasn't a part of anything before 2014. He was directly involved, and was part of the "previous management". You complain about how the previous management managed the studios, and oh surprise, Phil Spencer was the one in charge of that. 

 

It would be nice to stop one day the "Don Mattrick is responsible of everything and Phil Spencer is a victim" excuse. 

This. Phil Spencer was also there through all of the DRM scandal. And he either agreed with it internally before it was announced or chose to remain silent.  I do know he defended those policies publicly.

Don Mattrick stopped being a viable scapegoat after the first year of the XBO. After that, Spencer gets all the blame.



 

thismeintiel on 14 February 2019
CGI-Quality said:
thismeintiel said:

Just curious, any idea what he was actually responding to in that gif?

 It appears that he doesn't want to be highlighted for some reason (perhaps he doesn't feel like he deserves said praise).

Or...maybe the person on stage was about to reveal they were secretly lovers.



 

Areym on 14 February 2019
GoOnKid said:

Scores don't matter too much. I see that many reviews point at the mindless fun factor and that's all what's really important in the end.

I find it rather weird that you have to "turn your brain off" to appreciate it. Like you have to play it and put no thought into to enjoy it? That's probably more literal that what you mean but even if this is what crackdown fans wanted and expected, why wouldn't a developer try to push the envelope a little? New console, new tech, new power, and they (apparently) just made crackdown 2 but shinier. The way this game is being described, I would not be a proud developer.



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exclusive_console on 15 February 2019

It baffles me people were hyped for this. Sometimes you can know before hand itself that game is going to good or mediocre at best.