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Mr Puggsly said:
DonFerrari said: 

The Digital Foundry video I'm suggesting you watch isn't a review though.

On Metacritic, plenty of games have scored in the 50s or lower. Crackdown 3 is probably the best game ever to score 60 on Metacritic.

There’s plenty of games better than crackdown 3 with a 60 or lower score. Like Green Lantern, some samurai warriors games, 1-2 Switch, etc. 



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DonFerrari said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

Read your own links and you wouldn't need me to clear up anything for you.

You're shifting goal posts. You posted a link about E3 2015 trying to say they didn't actually show a lot of games and when you got corrected on that you're now trying to talk about releases. Idk, I think outside of Fable, they released all of those games. Either way it was a lame attempt at substantiating your claim that the Xboss is a liar.

Nope, you are just making things as you go. I put the links to prove that Phil Spencer have been promising better 1st party for several years while you claim he never did so.

The only link you provided where he discusses improving first party studios was an interview from 2018 and they bought multiple studios in 2018. Clearly you’re confused.



yvanjean said:

The reviews for Crackdown 3 are very bad, the kind of score that should be given to a very bad game. Having played Crackdown 3 it's actually a good game and enjoyable game.

 

Mr Puggsly said: 

The 1-10 review scale is broken in my opinion because 1-5 is varying levels of crap. While 6 is often the score for bad game with redeeming qualities. So 60/100 seems odd for a game that's actually fun, polished and works well. This is why fans are ignoring the reviews for this game.

This is where you guys are wrong. Metacritic's criteria says that 50-75 is considered mixed or average but you guys are acting like 60 means bad or terrible.

Most of the reviews basically say the game is a fun  throwback for fans of the series but is short, repetitive and lacks ambition. Do you guys disagree with that general description?



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zorg1000 said:
yvanjean said:

The reviews for Crackdown 3 are very bad, the kind of score that should be given to a very bad game. Having played Crackdown 3 it's actually a good game and enjoyable game.

 

Mr Puggsly said: 

The 1-10 review scale is broken in my opinion because 1-5 is varying levels of crap. While 6 is often the score for bad game with redeeming qualities. So 60/100 seems odd for a game that's actually fun, polished and works well. This is why fans are ignoring the reviews for this game.

This is where you guys are wrong. Metacritic's criteria says that 50-75 is considered mixed or average but you guys are acting like 60 means bad or terrible.

Most of the reviews basically say the game is a fun  throwback for fans of the series but is short, repetitive and lacks ambition. Do you guys disagree with that general description?

Really, what do you personally think of a scores of 50. 19 out of 73 reviewers gave the game a 50 or below score .... that's bad & terrible.

I would disagree - 
Unless your speed running the game it will take over 12-15 hours for the main story. 20-25 hours for completionist. 

The game have you collecting orb, jumping around, constantly shooting stuff, have two kind of race challenges (car & parkour), Car Ring challenges, unlocking car outpost, freeing prisoners, unlocking communication and propaganda tower that give you story element and 10 boss fights. On top of being able to play Co-op. They also introduce new enemy type has you progress in the game, new guns and new abilities. The environment of the city always seem to be changing, port towns, inner city, mine pits, metro, urban & Sky scrapper area. I personally did not find it repetitive. 

I agree with the Ambition comment the game fail to deliver on it's initial ambition and the Multiplayer is a total let down. The team seem to have wasted so much time on cloud technology rather then working on the campaign. They could of done so much more with this game. The game had the potential of being a real AAA for Microsoft but clearly something went wrong in development and they did a decent job salvaging what work was done. I really hope that this will turn out to be the ground work for a AAA Crackdown 4 that lives up to our expectation.  

There also the Terry Crews implementation what little we did get it still his my favorite part of the game. Sadly, it was done has an after though rather then being the center piece for the entire game.  If anything it shows great potential for a sequel. 

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Mr Puggsly said:
DonFerrari said: 

The Digital Foundry video I'm suggesting you watch isn't a review though.

On Metacritic, plenty of games have scored in the 50s or lower. Crackdown 3 is probably the best game ever to score 60 on Metacritic.

It is a valid opinion that it is the best game to reach 60 or below, I would really have to look all other games that got lower and would take a good time. And since it seems that only a fraction of CD3 thinks it I don't think there is much point on this. The critics aren't collectively lying or being obtusely harsh. The game may just not reach consensus of good even if on fanbase it is considered quite good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWQ84OLlQeI

Watched this from DF and not impressive, the guys analyzing aren't impressed as well, putting it below Red Guerilla.

Textures are very plain, objects seems like type of polygon from PS1-PS2 on how simplistic and pointy they are.

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LudicrousSpeed said:
Runa216 said:

Just as a general statement, y'all need to stop devaluing negative reviews just so you can feel good about yourselves.

People are discussing the reviews compared to their own opinions. That's not "devaluing" them so much as it's just simple criticism. I don't know how that would make anyone "feel good" about themselves either, do you get emotional about video game reviews? What about music reviews or movie reviews?

Runa216 said:

Bad or middling reviews don't mean a game doesn't have value. A game can get a 5/10 and still be enjoyable for certain people, you know. A game like this which has an average review aggregate around 60% means that it's overall not good (especially when compared to other games similar to it, within its genre, or overall), but that doesn't mean it's not fun.

I think that's the gist of what almost every person who has chimed in with an opinion on the game has said. That regardless of review scores, the game is just fun. Some people put that atop their chart in terms of importance in a game, so they disagree with the scores more strongly than others.


Runa216 said:
I actually kinda feel sorry for anyone desperate enough to cling to such small victories. What sort of gaming life do you have that THIS is the hill you want to die upon?

But a comment like this puzzles me. There's been pretty much nothing but simple debate about various things in the thread, you're again harping on some deeper emotional reaction that I just haven't seen yet in this thread. What "small victories" are you referring to? What hill are we supposed to be dying on? I haven't seen anyone irrational or really even upset in the thread. Just simple discussion about the scores.

Regarding your GameRankings stuff, that's all cool and all, but your criteria and critique seem to be all over the place. You're referencing Microsoft's own internally developed games but then you seem to be listing all sorts of PS4 games as "Sony" even though for a lot of them, they had nothing to do with the games. For example, 12 games or higher at 80%, released in 2018, with 20+ reviews. Cool. When it comes to "Sony games", I count:

MLB The Show
Astro Bot
God of War

That's it for internally developed games, unless I'm missing something? There's also the Shadow of Colossus port but idk if you're counting that or not. The rest are third party games that for one reason or another are exclusive to PS4 with no Sony involvement except in the case of Spider-Man, they got the rights to make a SM game and picked Insomniac. My point being that yeah, two of those three games I listed are widely regarded as great, among the best in their genre games, but it's two games. They just signed like 6 or 7 studios. It's not the end of the world, lol.

And you're confusing personal taste with brand loyalty. Perhaps don't be so emotional when you're posting, assuming you know the feelings and reasonings and motives, trying to play chess while we're just playing checkers. Because it doesn't have to be "brand loyalty". Lots of us also own PS4's and play PS4 games. I'll get more enjoyment out of Crackdown 3 than I have out of God of War thus far, doesn't have shit to do with any "brand loyalty", lol.

And no, it's not really a problem for some of us that Nintendo has amassed a better exclusive lineup than Microsoft already (though its debatable) because not all of us game on Xbox for Microsoft exclusives and also, Nintendo games are literally the ONLY reason to own a Nintendo console as they get next to zero third party support, so the exclusives had better be good. That said, for those gamers who want more exclusives, which outnumber those of us who don't give a shit, again, MS is taking care of them too.

I made my criteria VERY simple: Games that existed on one of the three consoles but not the other two. (At least not in 2018 or 2017). so something like Spider-Man, which was developed by Insomniac but not by Sony, counts. Ni No Kuni II counts. Yakuza counts. Octopath Traveller Counts. 

It's funny to see this much dissention trying to devalue the stats and numbers I've presented. I took some data, I made an assertion based on that data (that Xbox has no good exclusives anymore), and yet something as simple and straightforward as that is STILL somehow cause for contention. I don't get. Can't be anything BUT brand loyalty driving people to dispute facts and figures. 



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DonFerrari said:
Mr Puggsly said:

The Digital Foundry video I'm suggesting you watch isn't a review though.

On Metacritic, plenty of games have scored in the 50s or lower. Crackdown 3 is probably the best game ever to score 60 on Metacritic.

It is a valid opinion that it is the best game to reach 60 or below, I would really have to look all other games that got lower and would take a good time. And since it seems that only a fraction of CD3 thinks it I don't think there is much point on this. The critics aren't collectively lying or being obtusely harsh. The game may just not reach consensus of good even if on fanbase it is considered quite good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWQ84OLlQeI

Watched this from DF and not impressive, the guys analyzing aren't impressed as well, putting it below Red Guerilla.

Textures are very plain, objects seems like type of polygon from PS1-PS2 on how simplistic and pointy they are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Lks6E81EWE&t=1036s

I would counter with DF campaign video. 



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Got my firearms up to level 5 and unlocked the Gravitron or whatever. Some pretty amazing combos can be set up with it. The Demolisher or whatever the powerful pistol is... shit wrecks people. Even on the hardest difficulty I one shot people.

I’ve got three of the bosses down, three more to go I guess.



DonFerrari said:
Mr Puggsly said:

The Digital Foundry video I'm suggesting you watch isn't a review though.

On Metacritic, plenty of games have scored in the 50s or lower. Crackdown 3 is probably the best game ever to score 60 on Metacritic.

It is a valid opinion that it is the best game to reach 60 or below, I would really have to look all other games that got lower and would take a good time. And since it seems that only a fraction of CD3 thinks it I don't think there is much point on this. The critics aren't collectively lying or being obtusely harsh. The game may just not reach consensus of good even if on fanbase it is considered quite good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWQ84OLlQeI

Watched this from DF and not impressive, the guys analyzing aren't impressed as well, putting it below Red Guerilla.

Textures are very plain, objects seems like type of polygon from PS1-PS2 on how simplistic and pointy they are.

You saw the wrong video. I said the campaign video.

By the way I didn't say it has amazing graphics, I said its polished. It has has a high resolution for X1, fairly stable performance, the assets arent highly detailed but look good, tons of effects, its just a nice looking game. People usually expect less from UE4.

Kinda makes me think of Nintendo games. Its simplistic, cartoonish and great use of color. It the not something you boast about but I like the visuals.



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It's already getting reduced in price
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2019-02-21-crackdown-3-crash-lands-to-under-gbp30-already

I did watch the DF video when the game came out. It didn't look all that much fun yet who knows. Crackdown 1 was fun for a little bit but I never got into it. I doubt this sequel/remake will alter my opinion. When I feel like mindlessly blowing things up I usually go to a bullet hell shooter.