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Cerebralbore101 said:
Chris Hu said:

Says a guy that hasn't played the game yet and your assumptions are wrong nobody so far has unlocked all the achievements for it so at this point nobody knows how long it take to truly 100% complete it.  

I thought it would take 30 days for enough people to do completionist runs. But I guess not. Enough people have beaten it.

https://howlongtobeat.com/game.php?id=38828

49 people beat the game already. Crackdown 1 was a 43.5 hours long for completionists. https://howlongtobeat.com/game.php?id=1964 Crackdown 3 is 13.5 hours long for completionists. The game was a massive step back from the original 2007 release, in terms of content. 

Here my playtime so far, I feel like i'm past the half way point and at most 3/4 of the way in the main story. Collecting all the orbs and doing all the race will tack on quite a few more hours. One of my friend already played way over 15 hours (he's no where near completion either) and this is Crackdown 3 Campaign only. Wrecking Zone is separate to the campaign. 

Crackdown 3: Campaign
Gamerscore: 230 / 1,000
 Achievements 27
 Agility Orbs Collected 292 Rank 2 (friends)
Hidden Orbs Collected 58 Rank 2 (friends)
Time Played
11.7550363540649 Rank 2 (friends)
Enemies Killed
1,341 Rank 2 (friends)
Races Completed 17 Rank 1 (friends)

Friend stats: 575/1000 gamerscore 15+ hours
Race 15
Enemies Kills 2662
Hidden orbs 116
Agility orbs 493

There are 750 agility orbs which are somewhat easy to find, but there is also 250 hidden orbs that are not so easy to find. 13.5 hours for completionists just doesn't make any sense.  



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Cerebralbore101 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

I don't believe that's accurate. In the original Crackdown you basically kill the bosses and upgrade all your stats. Crackdown 3 actually has more stuff to do.

I COULD elaborate. But why should I bother? Its evident you don't know anything about these games really.

I played and beat Crackdown 1. https://www.xboxgamertag.com/search/cereboralbore/ That's my ultra-old XBL profile. I had to make a new one due to realizing, I missspelled it, but yeah there you go. 

Ah okay, well you must not remember the game much.

Those HLTB stats seem exaggerated to me. I don't think it takes nearly that many hours to complete everything and I wouldn't even recommend trying to do it. Trying to find every orb or doing all the driving missions is incredibly boring. That's epitome of filler, but not unusual for open world games.

As for Crackdown 3, you can't do everything in 13 hours. Nope. I feel those completion stats are generally inaccurate. At the rate I'm going its gonna take like 13 hours to finish the campaign.



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Cerebralbore101 said:
Chris Hu said:

Says a guy that hasn't played the game yet and your assumptions are wrong nobody so far has unlocked all the achievements for it so at this point nobody knows how long it take to truly 100% complete it.  

I thought it would take 30 days for enough people to do completionist runs. But I guess not. Enough people have beaten it.

https://howlongtobeat.com/game.php?id=38828

49 people beat the game already. Crackdown 1 was a 43.5 hours long for completionists. https://howlongtobeat.com/game.php?id=1964 Crackdown 3 is 13.5 hours long for completionists. The game was a massive step back from the original 2007 release, in terms of content. 

There is no way the game takes 13.5 hours to complete everything. I have played 9 hours with more than half the bosses still to beat, collected 359 out of 1000 orbs, and still a bunch of stuff to do. This game has more things to do than the first so I don't believe it. 



DonFerrari said:
yvanjean said:

I said they took a half decent game and made it good by adding Terry Crews combine with solid gameplay and polish in term of performance.  This game keep getting score in the 40 or 50 which should be reserve to broken game. If you read the review they are punishing the game for not delivering on it's promise rather then rating base on what was the final product.  

After playing this game, I hope that we get a Crackdown 4 or Free DLC but this time focus on campaign that is centered around Terry Crews. 

 Instead of cancelling yet another failure development, Phil Spencer and co at Microsoft tried to salvage the work done so far and made a half decent game. Including Terry Crews to the game really help it stand out for what was a very mediocre effort help give character to the game.

 

This is what you said... not that they took a half decent, but that they made a half decent game. Terry Crews doesn't change the game one iota. It certainly can help promotion or some people enjoyment, but the game doesn't change because of he.

So again your evaluation of half decent doesn't deserve a 75 score.

Also I agree that a game shouldn't be evaluated on expectations, but on what it delivers. But matter of fact unless you think there is a conspiracy of reviewers it seems like they don't like what was delivered more than just taking points on their expectations. If we were discussing a 90+ game that deserve let's say 95 but lost some points in some reviews because the reviewer wanted stuff that is his like not what the game is about that would be a different discussion.

Could swear I remember a Metacritic thread where some people were defending that for game 70 is average/mediocre and other group defended that average would be 50 up to 60. VGC really lacks a consensus on what thresholds we separate broken, bad, regular, good, great, excellent, epic, etc.

That's the main problem there no standard for rating. To some people a 4/10 doesn't mean it's broken/awful game. 

We already talk about this in a previous thread but for Metacritic they rank game in three categories:
Positive 75-100
Mixed  50-74
Negative 0-50

Personally for me:
9.0+ Masterpiece
8.0-8.5 Great game
7- 7.5 Good game
6.0-6.5 Bad Game
anything under 6 is Broken or Awful game

There are many issues with ranking this game, should you consider the price? I don't think a bad Multiplayer that can be ignored should lower the score of the overall game review. If you do consider the price you must also consider the Gamepass.

Full retail price - Campaign and MP - I would rate this game a 6.
If you ignore the price entirely and rate the package I would rate this game 7.5
Gamepass  - I would rate this game a 8    



Tommy Jean, CPA, CGA

yvanjean said: 

Personally for me:
9.0+ Masterpiece
8.0-8.5 Great game
7- 7.5 Good game
6.0-6.5 Bad Game

Very odd ranges, is there a reason you dont list 8.6-8.9, 7.6-7.9 & 6.6-6.9?



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

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So far the game is meeting all expectations. Very addictive.



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Mr Puggsly said:
Cerebralbore101 said:

I played and beat Crackdown 1. https://www.xboxgamertag.com/search/cereboralbore/ That's my ultra-old XBL profile. I had to make a new one due to realizing, I missspelled it, but yeah there you go. 

Ah okay, well you must not remember the game much.

Those HLTB stats seem exaggerated to me. I don't think it takes nearly that many hours to complete everything and I wouldn't even recommend trying to do it. Trying to find every orb or doing all the driving missions is incredibly boring. That's epitome of filler, but not unusual for open world games.

As for Crackdown 3, you can't do everything in 13 hours. Nope. I feel those completion stats are generally inaccurate. At the rate I'm going its gonna take like 13 hours to finish the campaign.

I get that feeling with a lot of games too. HLTB is just the average time to beat it. Some people are way faster, and others take way longer. I swear Xenoblade 2 took me almost 300 hours, but a lot of people were doing completionist runs at 150 hours. But I'm the sort that meanders around and takes his sweet time doing things. I'll explore every nook and cranny of a game before I move on. Then there's the kid at my local game shop back in Phoenix who beat Enter the Gungeon in four hours. He was just really damned good at Shoot 'em ups. Anyway my point is we have to keep in mind that other people play differently than us, and this is just the average time. 

We can point out other games' average times though, and come to a reasonable conclusion that Crackdown 3 is short for an open world game. 



zorg1000 said:
yvanjean said: 

Personally for me:
9.0+ Masterpiece
8.0-8.5 Great game
7- 7.5 Good game
6.0-6.5 Bad Game

Very odd ranges, is there a reason you dont list 8.6-8.9, 7.6-7.9 & 6.6-6.9?

Well in Canada for post-graduation this is the scale we use and that i'm personally used to using. You need to get 66%(C+) to pass. You put more value on the letter Grade. 

In term of game ranking a pass C+ would be 6.5/10 or 6.6 & above. 

Letter Grading System - Graduate students

Descriptor

Letter Grade

Grade Point Value

Excellent

A+

A

A-

4.0

4.0

3.7

Good

B+

B

3.3

3.0

Satisfactory

B-

C+

2.7

2.3

Failure

C

C-

D+

D

F

2.0

1.7

1.3

1.0

0.0



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yvanjean said:
zorg1000 said:

Very odd ranges, is there a reason you dont list 8.6-8.9, 7.6-7.9 & 6.6-6.9?

Well in Canada for post-graduation this is the scale we use and that i'm personally used to using. You need to get 66%(C+) to pass. You put more value on the letter Grade. 

In term of game ranking a pass C+ would be 6.5/10 or 6.6 & above. 

Letter Grading System - Graduate students

Descriptor

Letter Grade

Grade Point Value

Excellent

A+

A

A-

4.0

4.0

3.7

Good

B+

B

3.3

3.0

Satisfactory

B-

C+

2.7

2.3

Failure

C

C-

D+

D

F

2.0

1.7

1.3

1.0

0.0

Still seems like 8.0-8.9, 7.0-7.9, 6.0-6.9 is the correct way of using your grading scale.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

I tried the game yesterday and all I am gonna say is that it feels like a xb360 game. Definitely not my type of game. Is it really a 60 meta game?, I don't know. Don't feel like playing the game anymore.