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DonFerrari said: 
Mr Puggsly said:

I don't believe that's accurate. In the original Crackdown you basically kill the bosses and upgrade all your stats. Other than that you chase orb things and do driving missions. Crackdown 3 actually has more stuff to do.

I COULD elaborate. But why should I bother? Its evident you don't know anything about these games really.

Well that is collective of people experience, what you see can be totally different though.

Mr Puggsly said:

I'd say Crackdown 3 is more like mid tier, not low tier. The game was at a bunch of E3s because of delays and the MP was ultimately thrown together.

Again, games as polished and feel as tight as Crackdown 3 generally don't score that low. My source? I say that as someone who has played numerous UE4 games on Xbox One and the Digital Foundry guys were also impressed.

I'm suggesting people who are in this thread and know nothing about this game (like yourself) should watch that video. Its a fair analysis and will likely change your views a bit.

You only claim it is fair because it defends your point, that is the issue.

Ok you considering it mid tier, even if from what we see from MS along the years put it as high tier to them. But that really isn't much of a worthy discussion.

Sincerely I find it very hard to believe that the best implementation of UE4 would be on the lower end of the scores (we do know that very few game score lower than 60), and even without playing it I also wouldn't see 60 as an appropriate score for a game that works well and deliver what it's supposed to do.

If the gaming score really used full spectrum from 0 to 10, instead of 5 to 10, then perhaps 60 would be a fitting score, like a little above average. But on our use of the scale 7-7.5 seems more likely to be right.

In general I think the HLTB is fairly accurate when it comes to completing campaigns, but the numbers for completing everything is much more random especially in an open world game.

Again, watch the video. If you can spend a bunch of time talking about Crackdown 3 then maybe you can find the time for that video. I'm thinking your concern is it doesn't fit your narrative.

Straw man, I didn't claim it was the best implementation of UE4. You're making assumptions because of the 60 score without actually knowing much.

The 1-10 review scale is broken in my opinion because 1-5 is varying levels of crap. While 6 is often the score for bad game with redeeming qualities. So 60/100 seems odd for a game that's actually fun, polished and works well. This is why fans are ignoring the reviews for this game.



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LudicrousSpeed said:
DonFerrari said:

Please elucidate to me how "partnering" is 1st party and isn't buying third party content (or did you want to say timed exclusive?).

And then they had a lot of games to announce but few to release on that and coming years?

Read your own links and you wouldn't need me to clear up anything for you.

You're shifting goal posts. You posted a link about E3 2015 trying to say they didn't actually show a lot of games and when you got corrected on that you're now trying to talk about releases. Idk, I think outside of Fable, they released all of those games. Either way it was a lame attempt at substantiating your claim that the Xboss is a liar.

Nope, you are just making things as you go. I put the links to prove that Phil Spencer have been promising better 1st party for several years while you claim he never did so.

Mr Puggsly said:
DonFerrari said: 

Well that is collective of people experience, what you see can be totally different though.

You only claim it is fair because it defends your point, that is the issue.

Ok you considering it mid tier, even if from what we see from MS along the years put it as high tier to them. But that really isn't much of a worthy discussion.

Sincerely I find it very hard to believe that the best implementation of UE4 would be on the lower end of the scores (we do know that very few game score lower than 60), and even without playing it I also wouldn't see 60 as an appropriate score for a game that works well and deliver what it's supposed to do.

If the gaming score really used full spectrum from 0 to 10, instead of 5 to 10, then perhaps 60 would be a fitting score, like a little above average. But on our use of the scale 7-7.5 seems more likely to be right.

In general I think the HLTB is fairly accurate when it comes to completing campaigns, but the numbers for completing everything is much more random especially in an open world game.

ok

Again, watch the video. If you can spend a bunch of time talking about Crackdown 3 then maybe you can find the time for that video. I'm thinking your concern is it doesn't fit your narrative.

Nope, my concern is you only accepting a single source among several reviews as the right one, because most of the others are bad. Just look back on the thread and you'll see me defending the review that gave it a 90.

Straw man, I didn't claim it was the best implementation of UE4. You're making assumptions because of the 60 score without actually knowing much.

The 1-10 review scale is broken in my opinion because 1-5 is varying levels of crap. While 6 is often the score for bad game with redeeming qualities. So 60/100 seems odd for a game that's actually fun, polished and works well. This is why fans are ignoring the reviews for this game.

1-5 is varying level that barely anyone scores on that. It's odd because you like the game and disagree with the critics.



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vivster said:
yvanjean said:

I'm glad you have enough common sense to back away from your previous comments on Xbox Games Studios.

Yes, I always believe that Meta score is completely justify. The Meta Score always adjust to remove the odd ball super negative or super positive reviews. Consumer should know what they are getting and I don't think anyone that don't want to support the developer and have more similar content should pay full retail price. 

If you think everything is as it should be then what are you even arguing about?

It's not me who has to worry about Xbox's first party lineup. It's the CEOs who have to look at the lackluster offerings and performance and then deal the consequences. I humored myself and looked up what the best Xbox games for the platform are and most of the recommendations are several years old.

The reviews for Crackdown 3 are very bad, the kind of score that should be given to a very bad game. Having played Crackdown 3 it's actually a good game and enjoyable game. The reason it's getting such bad score is that the game failed to live up to our high expectation. 

You keep talking like Microsoft isn't doing anything about the lackluster offerings and performance. They've double the numbers of first party studios. While we wait for these new games, Microsoft countered by giving us a much superior online services when compare to Sony, EA Access, Xbox Gamepass and the enhanced Backwards compatibility Xbox & Xbox 360 is amazing to long term Xbox fans and give so much option to new Xbox owners. 

It's not like the Xbox doesn't have any exclusive games, there is always going to be the Microsoft Holy trinity of Halo - Gears - Forza. You can also play all of the Xbox exclusives for very cheap with gamepass.
Ashen, Below, Halo MCC, Halo Wars 2, Recore, Sunset Overdrive, State of Decay 2, Crackdown 3, Rare Replay, D4: DDDD, all of the Gears game, Forza 4, Halo 5, Quantum Break, Ryse, Sea of Thieves, Shadow Complex Remastered, Super Lucky's tail, Zoo Tycoon, Ori. Not including all the multi platform games that are made available to you with gamepass. 

Beside there no rush to play any of the PS4 Exclusive and pay full retail price. The Sony exclusives are all single player experience that can be enjoy long after their release.  I don't think anyone should be stupid enough to only play on one platform. There rumors that Sony might stats including their first party exclusives in their Playstation Plus service their version of gamepass, that would be amazing. 

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DonFerrari said: 
Mr Puggsly said:

In general I think the HLTB is fairly accurate when it comes to completing campaigns, but the numbers for completing everything is much more random especially in an open world game.

ok

Again, watch the video. If you can spend a bunch of time talking about Crackdown 3 then maybe you can find the time for that video. I'm thinking your concern is it doesn't fit your narrative.

Nope, my concern is you only accepting a single source among several reviews as the right one, because most of the others are bad. Just look back on the thread and you'll see me defending the review that gave it a 90.

Straw man, I didn't claim it was the best implementation of UE4. You're making assumptions because of the 60 score without actually knowing much.

The 1-10 review scale is broken in my opinion because 1-5 is varying levels of crap. While 6 is often the score for bad game with redeeming qualities. So 60/100 seems odd for a game that's actually fun, polished and works well. This is why fans are ignoring the reviews for this game.

1-5 is varying level that barely anyone scores on that. It's odd because you like the game and disagree with the critics.

The Digital Foundry video I'm suggesting you watch isn't a review though.

On Metacritic, plenty of games have scored in the 50s or lower. Crackdown 3 is probably the best game ever to score 60 on Metacritic.



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Mr Puggsly said:
DonFerrari said: 

The Digital Foundry video I'm suggesting you watch isn't a review though.

On Metacritic, plenty of games have scored in the 50s or lower. Crackdown 3 is probably the best game ever to score 60 on Metacritic.

There’s plenty of games better than crackdown 3 with a 60 or lower score. Like Green Lantern, some samurai warriors games, 1-2 Switch, etc. 



DonFerrari said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

Read your own links and you wouldn't need me to clear up anything for you.

You're shifting goal posts. You posted a link about E3 2015 trying to say they didn't actually show a lot of games and when you got corrected on that you're now trying to talk about releases. Idk, I think outside of Fable, they released all of those games. Either way it was a lame attempt at substantiating your claim that the Xboss is a liar.

Nope, you are just making things as you go. I put the links to prove that Phil Spencer have been promising better 1st party for several years while you claim he never did so.

The only link you provided where he discusses improving first party studios was an interview from 2018 and they bought multiple studios in 2018. Clearly you’re confused.



yvanjean said:

The reviews for Crackdown 3 are very bad, the kind of score that should be given to a very bad game. Having played Crackdown 3 it's actually a good game and enjoyable game.

 

Mr Puggsly said: 

The 1-10 review scale is broken in my opinion because 1-5 is varying levels of crap. While 6 is often the score for bad game with redeeming qualities. So 60/100 seems odd for a game that's actually fun, polished and works well. This is why fans are ignoring the reviews for this game.

This is where you guys are wrong. Metacritic's criteria says that 50-75 is considered mixed or average but you guys are acting like 60 means bad or terrible.

Most of the reviews basically say the game is a fun  throwback for fans of the series but is short, repetitive and lacks ambition. Do you guys disagree with that general description?



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zorg1000 said:
yvanjean said:

The reviews for Crackdown 3 are very bad, the kind of score that should be given to a very bad game. Having played Crackdown 3 it's actually a good game and enjoyable game.

 

Mr Puggsly said: 

The 1-10 review scale is broken in my opinion because 1-5 is varying levels of crap. While 6 is often the score for bad game with redeeming qualities. So 60/100 seems odd for a game that's actually fun, polished and works well. This is why fans are ignoring the reviews for this game.

This is where you guys are wrong. Metacritic's criteria says that 50-75 is considered mixed or average but you guys are acting like 60 means bad or terrible.

Most of the reviews basically say the game is a fun  throwback for fans of the series but is short, repetitive and lacks ambition. Do you guys disagree with that general description?

Really, what do you personally think of a scores of 50. 19 out of 73 reviewers gave the game a 50 or below score .... that's bad & terrible.

I would disagree - 
Unless your speed running the game it will take over 12-15 hours for the main story. 20-25 hours for completionist. 

The game have you collecting orb, jumping around, constantly shooting stuff, have two kind of race challenges (car & parkour), Car Ring challenges, unlocking car outpost, freeing prisoners, unlocking communication and propaganda tower that give you story element and 10 boss fights. On top of being able to play Co-op. They also introduce new enemy type has you progress in the game, new guns and new abilities. The environment of the city always seem to be changing, port towns, inner city, mine pits, metro, urban & Sky scrapper area. I personally did not find it repetitive. 

I agree with the Ambition comment the game fail to deliver on it's initial ambition and the Multiplayer is a total let down. The team seem to have wasted so much time on cloud technology rather then working on the campaign. They could of done so much more with this game. The game had the potential of being a real AAA for Microsoft but clearly something went wrong in development and they did a decent job salvaging what work was done. I really hope that this will turn out to be the ground work for a AAA Crackdown 4 that lives up to our expectation.  

There also the Terry Crews implementation what little we did get it still his my favorite part of the game. Sadly, it was done has an after though rather then being the center piece for the entire game.  If anything it shows great potential for a sequel. 

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Mr Puggsly said:
DonFerrari said: 

The Digital Foundry video I'm suggesting you watch isn't a review though.

On Metacritic, plenty of games have scored in the 50s or lower. Crackdown 3 is probably the best game ever to score 60 on Metacritic.

It is a valid opinion that it is the best game to reach 60 or below, I would really have to look all other games that got lower and would take a good time. And since it seems that only a fraction of CD3 thinks it I don't think there is much point on this. The critics aren't collectively lying or being obtusely harsh. The game may just not reach consensus of good even if on fanbase it is considered quite good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWQ84OLlQeI

Watched this from DF and not impressive, the guys analyzing aren't impressed as well, putting it below Red Guerilla.

Textures are very plain, objects seems like type of polygon from PS1-PS2 on how simplistic and pointy they are.

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