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Just played some wrecking zone and the destruction is legit. You can literally destroy any building. Will play the campaign later.



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Mr Puggsly said:
mjk45 said:

my point was to answer onee chan's question why they cancelled one game because of development problems but continued on with Crackdown 3 rather than cancelling it as well. nothing was said concerning whether either deserved that fate.

 About the bolded History shows the OG Xbox one with the extra cost of Kinetic was underpowered and overpriced in comparison to the PS4.

Again, MS and Platinum Games appeared to have some trouble on working together on Scalebound. Go read about it. Meanwhile Crackdown probably just got stuck in some sort of development hell trying to deliver the MP. I mean the Campaign is nothing particularly unique, mostly just more Crackdown with some ideas of other open world games.

Frankly, I don't get your argument. Are you suggesting all games stuck in development hell should be treated equal? Scalebound and Crackdown 3 were very different projects with different studios working on them. Yet for some reason you feel MS should treat them as equals? Its a dumb argument.

I'm not disagreeing with your other comment, not relevant either.

I think you have misread my reply, my answer was focused on the second part of her question about how a game with such a low score wasn't canceled since that seemed to be more answerable rather than playing  two different games with different circumstances off against each other, Instead I tried  to try to explain the circumstances surrounding Ms and the Xbox one and their  link to crackdown 3 at inception raising Crackdown 3's profile well above what it's history would suggest ,and how that made it harder for them to give up on it.



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zorg1000 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

 mean I understand why games like Recore or Lucky's Tale didn't review well. Although, when a game Lucky's Tale reviews better than Crackdown 3, well I begin to feel reviews just don't matter for this game.

I think expectations has alot to do with that. Crackdown has been hyped up quite a bit, it was in development for close to 5 years (announced in June 2014), appeared at 3 E3 events and was used to demonstrate the cloud.

On top of that when a game gets delayed multiple times its assumed it's because the standards are incredibly high and they arent willing to release anything that isnt amazing.

The combination of these things can make a good game seem mediocre just because you were expecting it to be great. I havent played this game to i could be wrong but I think that could very well be a factor in the lower than expected scores.

I have the opposite perspective, I feel people had low expectations due the to long development. Although 4-5 year development isn't really that uncommon.

However, if you look at the 2017 trailer the campaign content looks pretty much the same. I really think much of the development went to the multiplayer and that changed drastically over time. At best the campaign probably had extra refinement with all the delays.

People are treating this as a failed AAA game or something, but its just another Crackdown game. I thought it was pretty evident they were just making another one of those and its a blast if you accept its just that.



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exclusive_console said:
It baffles me people were hyped for this. Sometimes you can know before hand itself that game is going to good or mediocre at best.

Of course some people were hyped for it... And some people are having a ton of fun playing it right now.

If everyone in the world had the same likes/dislikes... We would be living in a very dull place wouldn't we?

Mr Puggsly said:

I never really considered Crackdown AAA. Not this gen or last gen. However, it actually looks better than I expected. Makes better use of UE4 than most games as well.

I just wanted another Crackdown and some good Gamepass content, I think they delivered. This game is as important to Xbox as Last Guardian was to PS4. Its notable content at best, it was never teh kill3r @pp.

The AAA game MS has for this year is Gears 5. Hopefully there isnt a delay.

I considered it AAA, mostly because of the scarce offerings of exclusive titles on Xbox in general... And the years of development time it had.

Although the advertising for this title seemed to be very light on the ground, didn't see anything about it's release until I saw this thread. Haha

The game is okay though, it's more of the same... But that isn't necessarily a bad thing either if you were a fan of Crackdown 1+2.



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Mr Puggsly said:
zorg1000 said:

I think expectations has alot to do with that. Crackdown has been hyped up quite a bit, it was in development for close to 5 years (announced in June 2014), appeared at 3 E3 events and was used to demonstrate the cloud.

On top of that when a game gets delayed multiple times its assumed it's because the standards are incredibly high and they arent willing to release anything that isnt amazing.

The combination of these things can make a good game seem mediocre just because you were expecting it to be great. I havent played this game to i could be wrong but I think that could very well be a factor in the lower than expected scores.

I have the opposite perspective, I feel people had low expectations due the to long development. Although 4-5 year development isn't really that uncommon.

However, if you look at the 2017 trailer the campaign content looks pretty much the same. I really think much of the development went to the multiplayer and that changed drastically over time. At best the campaign probably had extra refinement with all the delays.

People are treating this as a failed AAA game or something, but its just another Crackdown game. I thought it was pretty evident they were just making another one of those and its a blast if you accept its just that.

You are giving mixed messages in this post.

You say people had low expectations but then say it's a blast if you accept it for what it is which doesnt add up if expectations were low to begin with.

You also say 4-5 years is common (which is true for big AAA titles) then you go on to say it's not a AAA title its just another Crackdown game.



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mjk45 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Again, MS and Platinum Games appeared to have some trouble on working together on Scalebound. Go read about it. Meanwhile Crackdown probably just got stuck in some sort of development hell trying to deliver the MP. I mean the Campaign is nothing particularly unique, mostly just more Crackdown with some ideas of other open world games.

Frankly, I don't get your argument. Are you suggesting all games stuck in development hell should be treated equal? Scalebound and Crackdown 3 were very different projects with different studios working on them. Yet for some reason you feel MS should treat them as equals? Its a dumb argument.

I'm not disagreeing with your other comment, not relevant either.

I think you have misread my reply, my answer was focused on the second part of her question about how a game with such a low score wasn't canceled since that seemed to be more answerable rather than playing  two different games with different circumstances off against each other, Instead I tried  to try to explain the circumstances surrounding Ms and the Xbox one and their  link to crackdown 3 at inception raising Crackdown 3's profile well above what it's history would suggest ,and how that made it harder for them to give up on it.

Here's a thought, did MS anticipate such low scores?

I mean this isn't like some Bethesda game launched in a broken state. Crackdown 3 is totally functional game, it feels polished, its the fun I expected from the series. Its almost like being something of throwback is both what makes this game fun but poison to the critics.

Maybe this is something like an Earth Defense Force game. The people who enjoy it don't care about the reviews, but it likely has wider appeal. Ultimately, it just might be a polarizing game.



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zorg1000 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

I have the opposite perspective, I feel people had low expectations due the to long development. Although 4-5 year development isn't really that uncommon.

However, if you look at the 2017 trailer the campaign content looks pretty much the same. I really think much of the development went to the multiplayer and that changed drastically over time. At best the campaign probably had extra refinement with all the delays.

People are treating this as a failed AAA game or something, but its just another Crackdown game. I thought it was pretty evident they were just making another one of those and its a blast if you accept its just that.

You are giving mixed messages in this post.

You say people had low expectations but then say it's a blast if you accept it for what it is which doesnt add up if expectations were low to begin with.

You also say 4-5 years is common (which is true for big AAA titles) then you go on to say it's not a AAA title its just another Crackdown game.

I'm saying general consensus, the views of people that aren't necessarily Crackdown fans, were low expectations to begin with. However, if you just wanted more Crackdown, it delivers and those are the people that will enjoy it most.

Long development periods isn't just a AAA thing. I mean just a few on the MS side that come to mind are Cuphead, Ashen and Below. I'm sure there are many examples... https://medium.com/the-last-night-devblog/why-do-independent-game-developers-take-so-long-to-make-games-661f98433411

I tried to avoid mixed messages, but I think you got mixed up by adding your own thoughts.



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Mr Puggsly said:
mjk45 said:

I think you have misread my reply, my answer was focused on the second part of her question about how a game with such a low score wasn't canceled since that seemed to be more answerable rather than playing  two different games with different circumstances off against each other, Instead I tried  to try to explain the circumstances surrounding Ms and the Xbox one and their  link to crackdown 3 at inception raising Crackdown 3's profile well above what it's history would suggest ,and how that made it harder for them to give up on it.

Here's a thought, did MS anticipate such low scores?

I mean this isn't like some Bethesda game launched in a broken state. Crackdown 3 is totally functional game, it feels polished, its the fun I expected from the series. Its almost like being something of throwback is both what makes this game fun but poison to the critics.

Maybe this is something like an Earth Defense Force game. The people who enjoy it don't care about the reviews, but it likely has wider appeal. Ultimately, it just might be a polarizing game.

 I agree play what you enjoy , I remember the first crackdown demo after playing it I recommended to a friend to try it out after a few tries I couldn't get anything out of him,then when the game came out he pestered me to play, you would have thought he was the one who pushed me toward it.

I feel if it had been left to the usual production schedule for a game of it's ilk it would have done fine and most likely posted mid 70's scores , but alas with all the publicity coupled with MS overplaying where the tech was at that time rather than waiting for it to mature, we got this situation of a game being  overblown through no fault of it's own.



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eva01beserk said:
Chris Hu said:

Forza Horizon and Forza Motorsport are two completely different games so even with their regular release schedule they are not yearly releases.  Its on track to beat it since so far the physical numbers are higher then the third games during the same time plus it sold a lot more digitally since close to one million people bought the digital ultimate edition which gave you early access to the game before the game was officially released.  It already has surpassed way more then 2.5 million copies already like I said earlier it already surpassed five million total players a while back.

It might be diferent sure, but most people dont see  it that way, or even care. Its like call of duty. No one cares one is in the future another in the past it plays the same and people just see another call of duty. The same with forza, the only real change is that one is off road.

I see, this must be the first forza to be available online. Gotcha.

I never said that FH4 was the first one to be available online.  Anyway since the release of FH3 a lot more people got external HDD and higher speed internet so it only logical to conclude that FH4 sold a lot more digitally then FH3 during the same period of time and the number of people that played it through early access by buying the Ultimate edition digitally also back that claim up.  Also the game will continue selling since FM8 doesn't come out until next year and The Crew 2 was DOA on the X1 so its only direct competition on the X1 is the 3rd game since the second game got delisted digitally last fall.



Played the game for about four hours today so I far I like it better then the second one could end up liking it better then the first one which I liked a lot more then the second one since I beat it and played through it twice.