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zorg1000 said:
The_Liquid_Laser 



Kinect was never a craze.  Kinect was not the Wii.  Wii Sports was a craze.  Kinect?  nope.

That's called revisionist history, was it as big as Wii? No, but it was huge.

The revisionist history is calling Kinect a craze.  Here are the facts:

Wii Sports Resort required Wii Motion Plus.  Sold 33m total.
Kinect Adventures was a pack-in for Kinect.  Sold 24m total.

Was Wii Sports Resort a craze in itself?  I've certainly never heard anyone say it was.  The game was released in 2009.  Did it cause the Wii to spike even further for 2-3 years?  I believe most consider 2009 to be the year that the Wii craze was ending.

So the question I have for you is, "If Wii Sports Resort sold significantly more than Kinect Adventures, then why didn't they have the same kind of effect on console sales?"



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The_Liquid_Laser said:
zorg1000 said:

That's called revisionist history, was it as big as Wii? No, but it was huge.

The revisionist history is calling Kinect a craze.  Here are the facts:

Wii Sports Resort required Wii Motion Plus.  Sold 33m total.
Kinect Adventures was a pack-in for Kinect.  Sold 24m total.

Was Wii Sports Resort a craze in itself?  I've certainly never heard anyone say it was.  The game was released in 2009.  Did it cause the Wii to spike even further for 2-3 years?  I believe most consider 2009 to be the year that the Wii craze was ending.

So the question I have for you is, "If Wii Sports Resort sold significantly more than Kinect Adventures, then why didn't they have the same kind of effect on console sales?"

Wow.

Motion Plus-$19.99

Kinect-$149.99



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I'm surprised that anyone who has been following video games sales could deny the selling power of Kinect. I hated the thing but no way would 360 reach the status of 40 million plus in USA without it.



 

zorg1000 said:
Shadow1980 said:

The 360 was already at $300 as well.

Can you point to anything in the data that suggests that the Kinect was more responsible than the 360 S for sales levels from Nov. 2010 onward, or that it had any measurable impact at all past the 2010 holidays?

24 million Kinects sold in just over 2 years, reports in 2011 stating 2/3 of console sales were the Kinect bundle, it was aimed at a different audience than the existing 13-30 year old male demographic and Microsoft shifted their content and marketing from "hardcore" to "casual".

You're the only person I can think of who doesn't agree that Kinect was a massive system seller and  the primary driver of 360 sales from holiday 2010-2012.

Not the only one, the S model was a much bigger factor than Kinect imo. Obviously, both were still factors in the high sales.

zorg1000 said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

I don't think Kinect was a massive system seller.  I agree with Shadow1980 that it had more to do with the new model and price cut.  Also getting Minecraft first didn't hurt either although that came a little later.

Kinect was a disappointment.  Although even Microsoft believed their own hype for a while which is why it was bundled with the XB1.  I think they've learned their lesson by now.

There wasnt a price cut with the S model though and Minecract didnt come to 360 until May 2012 so that doesnt explain 2011 sales at all.

Kinect craze had died down significantly by 2013/2014 but there is really no denying it was huge for the first 2 years.

I already went over this with you.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8951179

Specifically;

2009 250gb- US$399.99, C$399.99, £249.99, €329.99, A$599.00

S Model 250 gb- US$299.99, C$299.99, £199.99, €249.99,A$449.00, NZ$499.00"

If that's not a pricecut then I guess I don't know economics.



Farsala said:
zorg1000 said:

24 million Kinects sold in just over 2 years, reports in 2011 stating 2/3 of console sales were the Kinect bundle, it was aimed at a different audience than the existing 13-30 year old male demographic and Microsoft shifted their content and marketing from "hardcore" to "casual".

You're the only person I can think of who doesn't agree that Kinect was a massive system seller and  the primary driver of 360 sales from holiday 2010-2012.

Not the only one, the S model was a much bigger factor than Kinect imo. Obviously, both were still factors in the high sales.

zorg1000 said:

There wasnt a price cut with the S model though and Minecract didnt come to 360 until May 2012 so that doesnt explain 2011 sales at all.

Kinect craze had died down significantly by 2013/2014 but there is really no denying it was huge for the first 2 years.

I already went over this with you.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8951179

Specifically;

2009 250gb- US$399.99, C$399.99, £249.99, €329.99, A$599.00

S Model 250 gb- US$299.99, C$299.99, £199.99, €249.99,A$449.00, NZ$499.00"

If that's not a pricecut then I guess I don't know economics.

I dont get how anybody can think a prettier sku increased sales more than the thing that set a record for fastest selling consumer electronics device and was aimed at a completely different demographic than was already on the system.

I know we went over it and you're wrong. The prices remained the same, they switched the amount of storage in each sku adding value, that is not a price cut.

Regular model

512mb-$199 (Sept 2008)

120gb-$299 (Aug 2009)

S model

4gb-$199 (June 2010)

250gb-$299 (June 2010)

If the price is the same than it's not a price cut, its adding value.



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Shadow1980 said:
zorg1000 said:

Holiday 2010 massive boost and 2011 sales being up almost every month and peaking in year 6 is the work of something capturing a new audience, not a sleeker redesign. The fact that Kinect sold 18 million in just over a year and caused Microsoft to shift focus from the "hardcore" to "casuals" is pretty telling as well.

What's so unbelievable that a sleeker redesign didn't have a huge effect on sales? We saw the PS3 Slim produce considerable growth over a significant period of time:

Plus, the 360S was not just sleeker, but also much less failure-prone. Remember the Red Ring of Death on the OG 360? That also got solved with the S, hence why many preferred the new model.



Bofferbrauer2 said:
Shadow1980 said:

What's so unbelievable that a sleeker redesign didn't have a huge effect on sales? We saw the PS3 Slim produce considerable growth over a significant period of time:

Plus, the 360S was not just sleeker, but also much less failure-prone. Remember the Red Ring of Death on the OG 360? That also got solved with the S, hence why many preferred the new model.

I think the majority of the buying public isn't aware of things such as these, just hardcore gamers. The kinect brought in a whole new demo for X360. Sure the new model boosted sales some, but the majority was because of the kinect. You dont sell 32 million of a peripheral without pushing major hardware sales as well. 



PortisheadBiscuit said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

Plus, the 360S was not just sleeker, but also much less failure-prone. Remember the Red Ring of Death on the OG 360? That also got solved with the S, hence why many preferred the new model.

I think the majority of the buying public isn't aware of things such as these, just hardcore gamers. The kinect brought in a whole new demo for X360. Sure the new model boosted sales some, but the majority was because of the kinect. You dont sell 32 million of a peripheral without pushing major hardware sales as well. 

Considering the RRoD was found in non-gaming news due to it's prevalence, I'm pretty sure the general public was at least partly aware of it.



Bofferbrauer2 said:
PortisheadBiscuit said:

I think the majority of the buying public isn't aware of things such as these, just hardcore gamers. The kinect brought in a whole new demo for X360. Sure the new model boosted sales some, but the majority was because of the kinect. You dont sell 32 million of a peripheral without pushing major hardware sales as well. 

Considering the RRoD was found in non-gaming news due to it's prevalence, I'm pretty sure the general public was at least partly aware of it.

Even still, you don't think a 32 million selling peripheral pushed major hardware?? 



Bofferbrauer2 said:
Shadow1980 said:

What's so unbelievable that a sleeker redesign didn't have a huge effect on sales? We saw the PS3 Slim produce considerable growth over a significant period of time:

Plus, the 360S was not just sleeker, but also much less failure-prone. Remember the Red Ring of Death on the OG 360? That also got solved with the S, hence why many preferred the new model.

S model definitely helped, that's without a doubt but to credit that for the 360 resurgence without mentioning the record breaking device that brought in a whole new demographic is just nonsensical.



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