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Bofferbrauer2 said:
PortisheadBiscuit said:

I think the majority of the buying public isn't aware of things such as these, just hardcore gamers. The kinect brought in a whole new demo for X360. Sure the new model boosted sales some, but the majority was because of the kinect. You dont sell 32 million of a peripheral without pushing major hardware sales as well. 

Considering the RRoD was found in non-gaming news due to it's prevalence, I'm pretty sure the general public was at least partly aware of it.

Even still, you don't think a 32 million selling peripheral pushed major hardware?? 



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Bofferbrauer2 said:
Shadow1980 said:

What's so unbelievable that a sleeker redesign didn't have a huge effect on sales? We saw the PS3 Slim produce considerable growth over a significant period of time:

Plus, the 360S was not just sleeker, but also much less failure-prone. Remember the Red Ring of Death on the OG 360? That also got solved with the S, hence why many preferred the new model.

S model definitely helped, that's without a doubt but to credit that for the 360 resurgence without mentioning the record breaking device that brought in a whole new demographic is just nonsensical.



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zorg1000 said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

Plus, the 360S was not just sleeker, but also much less failure-prone. Remember the Red Ring of Death on the OG 360? That also got solved with the S, hence why many preferred the new model.

S model definitely helped, that's without a doubt but to credit that for the 360 resurgence without mentioning the record breaking device that brought in a whole new demographic is just nonsensical.

Yeah, it's more like the 1-2 punch of S and Kinect made the growth instead of just on their own. I'm fairly sure individually neither would have come close to the results they had together.



First month

Kingdom Hears - 345,000
Kingdom Hears II - 614,000
Kingdom Hearts III > 1,000,000



PortisheadBiscuit said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

Considering the RRoD was found in non-gaming news due to it's prevalence, I'm pretty sure the general public was at least partly aware of it.

Even still, you don't think a 32 million selling peripheral pushed major hardware?? 

Yeah not to mention the top selling game on the platform is a game specifically for that peripheral so Kinect did have a significant impact it even sold as much as Wiimotion Plus which was far cheaper.



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Ryng_Tolu said:

First month

Kingdom Hears - 345,000
Kingdom Hears II - 614,000
Kingdom Hearts III > 1,000,000

Wonderful in such a short amount of time 



Wyrdness said:
PortisheadBiscuit said:

Even still, you don't think a 32 million selling peripheral pushed major hardware?? 

Yeah not to mention the top selling game on the platform is a game specifically for that peripheral so Kinect did have a significant impact it even sold as much as Wiimotion Plus which was far cheaper.

Agreed! I notice he ignored my question, probably no valid rebuttal lol 



zorg1000 said:
The_Liquid_Laser said:

The revisionist history is calling Kinect a craze.  Here are the facts:

Wii Sports Resort required Wii Motion Plus.  Sold 33m total.
Kinect Adventures was a pack-in for Kinect.  Sold 24m total.

Was Wii Sports Resort a craze in itself?  I've certainly never heard anyone say it was.  The game was released in 2009.  Did it cause the Wii to spike even further for 2-3 years?  I believe most consider 2009 to be the year that the Wii craze was ending.

So the question I have for you is, "If Wii Sports Resort sold significantly more than Kinect Adventures, then why didn't they have the same kind of effect on console sales?"

Wow.

Motion Plus-$19.99

Kinect-$149.99

Wow.

You dodged the question. 


I'll give you another shot.  "If Wii Sports Resort sold significantly more than Kinect Adventures, then why didn't it have the same kind of effect on console sales?"

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The_Liquid_Laser said:
zorg1000 said:

Wow.

Motion Plus-$19.99

Kinect-$149.99

Wow.

You dodged the question. 


I'll give you another shot.  "If Wii Sports Resort sold significantly more than Kinect Adventures, then why didn't it have the same kind of effect on console sales?"

Wouldn't most of the blue ocean have a Wii at that point though as that's who the Wii was aimed at from the start while for 360 that was a new crowd for them.



Acevil said:
I'm surprised that anyone who has been following video games sales could deny the selling power of Kinect. I hated the thing but no way would 360 reach the status of 40 million plus in USA without it.

A lot of people like FPS games like Halo and Call of Duty.  It also got some games earlier than PS3 like Minecraft.  Most importantly it was usually cheaper than the PS3.  You could get almost all the games the PS3 had but on a cheaper console.  Really in generation 7 Microsoft was doing everything right and Sony was doing everything wrong.  That was the way that people in USA saw it.  They didn't need Kinect it at all, and it also hurt them a ton in generation 8.

Really I'm surprised that people following video games considers Kinect a "craze".  It was so obviously a detriment to the XB1.  Also I live in the USA, and talk with lots of people in RL about video games, and Kinect was never a craze.  Wii?  Yes a craze.  I know lots of people who played Wii.  I also find people who will tell me how great Halo or Call of Duty are without me bringing it up.  There is a craze about these games and the XBox360 in general.  I still find people who like to play XBox360.  They don't like it for Kinect.  Kinect was never a craze.  If you want to know the cause for sales, it helps to actually talk to real people.  Kinect is not the reason.