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Will we get PS4 Super Slim and/or PS4 Pro Slim?

PS4 Super Slim and PS4 Pro Slim 17 35.42%
 
only PS4 Super Slim 4 8.33%
 
only PS4 Pro Slim 7 14.58%
 
no new hardware until PS5 20 41.67%
 
Total:48

If heat production will get low enough to make them possible, entry level Super Slim and Pro Slim both make sense, they give slightly lower pruduction costs, considerably lower warehousing and shipping costs and they make happy retailers too as they use less shelf space, and on top of all this, the Japanese market likes slim and super slim versions a lot.



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potato_hamster said:
zorg1000 said:

It only represents ~75% of sales, clearly it's time to discontinue it.

It's probably even higher than that now. PS4 Pro represented 20-25% of sales when it first came out, but I think it might have dropped off since then.

I'm assuming melbye naively assumes that if Sony stopped selling the PS4 then developers would only have to develop with the PS4 Pro in mind, and not be forced to still support the regular PS4 at all.

Can you imagine the blowback from PS4 owners who have had their consoles for any number of years and have bought the bulk of the software, finding out that if they wanted new games they would have to upgrade, and with the PS5 around the corner Pro only development wouldn't excite anyone, anyway what you wrote at the beginning leads me to believe you assumed it to be rather wishful anyway.



Robert_Downey_Jr. said:
Shadow1980 said:

If the PS5 really is due out next year (which is highly likely), then I'd be inclined to say we won't see anything, especially in light of similar things on the PS3. The PS3 Super Slim had no real impact on PS3 sales, so I don't see Sony coming out with a PS4/Pro Super Slim unless it would make the hardware more profitable over the remainder of the PS4's lifespan. And we've never seen a price cut this late in a system's life, with the latest being in Year 5; the PS3 got a $50 price cut in Sept. 2012, and while it did have a stimulative effect, it was short-lived. As with a hypothetical Super Slim, I don't see Sony issuing a price cut unless they think it'll make the PS4 more profitable over the remainder of its life, because the benefits to sales volume provided by late-life price drops aren't that great.

they could've reached over 90m PS3s easily with a cut to $200 in September 2012 (for the 160gb)

They should not miss their chance to get more hardware and therefore more PSN accounts and software sales before PS4 runs out of life.  Gotta get it to the mass market price PS3 never reached.  There's no cell to keep it expensive this time.  They will still profit at $200 and it will get them huge sales.  Bundle it with a big software title like GoW, Spidey, Days Gone, etc.

 

If they don't lower price on both it will be a weird situation of PS4 Pro being the same price as PS5 and PS4 base being just $100 cheaper.  Would kill late sales of PS4 (that's one of the big reasons PS3 got cut off was because its price was still too high). 

Both Slim and Pro will have price cuts by the time the PS5 arrives; I doubt they are going to let the PS4 just die off like that.

But that said I disagree with the idea that they will get more PSN accounts (I assume you mean subscribers for online). At $200 you are most likely hitting an audience that doesn't have the money for a continual subscription, or are getting a PS4 as an additional device to what they ow, meaning they dont need the subscription most likely.

i dont think there is a guarantee that get more money from a lower PS4 than what they have it priced at now.

A price cut i time for Days Gone or TloU2 will definitely help with mass market appeal, but I am sure it is done in time for PS5s arrival at least, creating various tiers for users to jump into.



Alby_da_Wolf said:
If heat production will get low enough to make them possible, entry level Super Slim and Pro Slim both make sense, they give slightly lower pruduction costs, considerably lower warehousing and shipping costs and they make happy retailers too as they use less shelf space, and on top of all this, the Japanese market likes slim and super slim versions a lot.

And there is a good bunch of people that double or triple dip (some would sell their original system though). So a new model will attract some sales.

Although I had a PS3 super slim coming the year before PS4, but Sony never made it.

twintail said:
Robert_Downey_Jr. said:

they could've reached over 90m PS3s easily with a cut to $200 in September 2012 (for the 160gb)

They should not miss their chance to get more hardware and therefore more PSN accounts and software sales before PS4 runs out of life.  Gotta get it to the mass market price PS3 never reached.  There's no cell to keep it expensive this time.  They will still profit at $200 and it will get them huge sales.  Bundle it with a big software title like GoW, Spidey, Days Gone, etc.

 

If they don't lower price on both it will be a weird situation of PS4 Pro being the same price as PS5 and PS4 base being just $100 cheaper.  Would kill late sales of PS4 (that's one of the big reasons PS3 got cut off was because its price was still too high). 

Both Slim and Pro will have price cuts by the time the PS5 arrives; I doubt they are going to let the PS4 just die off like that.

But that said I disagree with the idea that they will get more PSN accounts (I assume you mean subscribers for online). At $200 you are most likely hitting an audience that doesn't have the money for a continual subscription, or are getting a PS4 as an additional device to what they ow, meaning they dont need the subscription most likely.

i dont think there is a guarantee that get more money from a lower PS4 than what they have it priced at now.

A price cut i time for Days Gone or TloU2 will definitely help with mass market appeal, but I am sure it is done in time for PS5s arrival at least, creating various tiers for users to jump into.

People are complex. Some will look at above 200 USD for the system and frown, but pay 60 USD for PSN+ or new games without much problem. It all depends on how much the person value the system and the service/game.

I rather pay 1000 USD on the system and games start selling for less than 30 USD, than pay 200 USD on the system and games for 60 USD, because the HW for 1000 can have much more power than for 200.



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Probably both, and produced in a 7nm EUV process, which means they can both get released by the end of the year, in time for the holiday season



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Just because it's at 7nm and smaller, doesn't mean it's going to be cheaper to produce.

You have yields to contend with... And because 7nm is a leading process, there is a ton of demand for it... And a limited number of wafer output. - Whilst demand of 14/16nm is starting to lessen... Meaning fabs will often discount 14/16nm wafers to keep foundry's busy... Because an idle foundry is a foundry not making cash.

In saying that... That doesn't mean a super slim cannot happen with the current chips anyway without a shrink, cost cutting can happen to the other components.



Shadow1980 said:
Robert_Downey_Jr. said:

they could've reached over 90m PS3s easily with a cut to $200 in September 2012 (for the 160gb)

They should not miss their chance to get more hardware and therefore more PSN accounts and software sales before PS4 runs out of life.  Gotta get it to the mass market price PS3 never reached.  There's no cell to keep it expensive this time.  They will still profit at $200 and it will get them huge sales.  Bundle it with a big software title like GoW, Spidey, Days Gone, etc.

 

If they don't lower price on both it will be a weird situation of PS4 Pro being the same price as PS5 and PS4 base being just $100 cheaper.  Would kill late sales of PS4 (that's one of the big reasons PS3 got cut off was because its price was still too high). 

In the U.S., the PS3's drop in August 2011 from $300 to $250 has almost no impact on sales. There was a roughly 20% YoY jump in September, but that's about it. August was still down, October was flat, the holidays were barely up (and that could be due to Black Friday deals, which first started to be a big deal for hardware that year), Q1 was down YoY in 2012, and Q2-Q4 were down even more. In Japan, there was a ¥5000 price cut at the same time, and the impact was likewise very modest and quite short-lived.

Late-life price cuts like that don't do anything major. There is absolutely no precedent for modest price cuts providing a major stimulus to sales after the first several years (price cuts generally result in diminishing returns over time), nor for deeper price cuts being issued at all this late in a system's life. At best, it may reduce the rate of decline a bit, but that's it. Sony is going to look at that experience with the PS3 and likely come to the conclusion that the PS4 isn't going to see any significant growth anymore even if they issue a price cut.

The rate of decline is greatly reduced I think (though there’s no way to tell what sales would have been if they hadn’t cut) and I think getting under $200 moves it into impulse buy territory plus many people just buy late once they see a certain price.  I think it helped ps2 leg it out being under $200 and it would have helped ps3 decline much less quickly.



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mjk45 said:
potato_hamster said:

It's probably even higher than that now. PS4 Pro represented 20-25% of sales when it first came out, but I think it might have dropped off since then.

I'm assuming melbye naively assumes that if Sony stopped selling the PS4 then developers would only have to develop with the PS4 Pro in mind, and not be forced to still support the regular PS4 at all.

Can you imagine the blowback from PS4 owners who have had their consoles for any number of years and have bought the bulk of the software, finding out that if they wanted new games they would have to upgrade, and with the PS5 around the corner Pro only development wouldn't excite anyone, anyway what you wrote at the beginning leads me to believe you assumed it to be rather wishful anyway.

quite wishful, yeah. It literally doesn't make any sense.



potato_hamster said:
mjk45 said:

Can you imagine the blowback from PS4 owners who have had their consoles for any number of years and have bought the bulk of the software, finding out that if they wanted new games they would have to upgrade, and with the PS5 around the corner Pro only development wouldn't excite anyone, anyway what you wrote at the beginning leads me to believe you assumed it to be rather wishful anyway.

quite wishful, yeah. It literally doesn't make any sense.

I don't think this is what melbye was trying to say. Creating Slim versions of both consoles while also planning a PS5 release in the near future seems like a tall order, and if the difference in manufacturing cost of the Pro vs Original is small enough, it wouldn't be that far-fetched to imagine a world where Sony phases out the regular PS4 and sells a single SKU, the New Super Slim PS4 Pro Deluxe.

And it's really not that bad for OG PS4 owners. All you'd need to do is flip the secret hatch on the back of your unit to reveal a map which will lead you to a minecart. Hop into the minecart, descend into the crust of the Earth, and eventually you will find the secret headquarters where the Pro units are dispensed.



Nope. Don't see it happening. Its not worth it.