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Will we get PS4 Super Slim and/or PS4 Pro Slim?

PS4 Super Slim and PS4 Pro Slim 17 35.42%
 
only PS4 Super Slim 4 8.33%
 
only PS4 Pro Slim 7 14.58%
 
no new hardware until PS5 20 41.67%
 
Total:48
Burning Typhoon said:
potato_hamster said:

... wouldn't a super slim regular PS4 be even cheaper again?

By that logic, a PS3 would be even cheaper.  There comes a point of diminishing returns.  I don't think it would be fair make an even smaller PS4 pro, and have yet another PS4 that is even smaller than it.  I think that the base PS4 should be phased out too.  If a new ps4 pro is so small, to the point that you'd only save 50 dollars with a base PS4, it really doesn't make sense to keep it around.  I'd think it should be removed out of respect to the consumer.  Even today, as someone who owns both a PS4 and a PS4 Pro, I never play my PS4 anymore.  All my multi-plats are on PC, and for exclusives, they're only on my pro.  Putting up with as little frame drops as possible.

I don't even use 4k settings or super sampling, I always hit the performance options.

None of this makes any sense whatsoever. None of it. I don't even get why someone would still own a PS4 after owning a PS4 Pro.

Like, you know there's a reason why Sony sells more PS4s during Black Friday sales than at any other point in the year, right? Why do you think that is?



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Megiddo said:
NobleTeam360 said:
Nah, I personally never liked when MS and Sony did more than one slim revision on their consoles (even though Sony has done it with PS2 and PS3 and MS with 360) Even still, I hope they don't.

What exactly is it that you didn't like about it? I'm not really seeing any potential negatives on the consumer side so I'm not sure how having another option could be disliked? Unless providing more options is too much to handle for a consumer?

Collectors have to buy all versions... Just hope he doesn't buy all colors =p



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Burning Typhoon said:
potato_hamster said:

... wouldn't a super slim regular PS4 be even cheaper again?

By that logic, a PS3 would be even cheaper.  There comes a point of diminishing returns.  I don't think it would be fair make an even smaller PS4 pro, and have yet another PS4 that is even smaller than it.  I think that the base PS4 should be phased out too.  If a new ps4 pro is so small, to the point that you'd only save 50 dollars with a base PS4, it really doesn't make sense to keep it around.  I'd think it should be removed out of respect to the consumer.  Even today, as someone who owns both a PS4 and a PS4 Pro, I never play my PS4 anymore.  All my multi-plats are on PC, and for exclusives, they're only on my pro.  Putting up with as little frame drops as possible.

I don't even use 4k settings or super sampling, I always hit the performance options.

Different HW, comparison makes no sense.

But in the case of PS4 vs Pro, they are about the same but with double size GPU and small gain on CPU, so they won't cost less than vanila.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

I think the next PS4 revision will be when they announce the PS5, which will be this year.



Shadow1980 said:

If the PS5 really is due out next year (which is highly likely), then I'd be inclined to say we won't see anything, especially in light of similar things on the PS3. The PS3 Super Slim had no real impact on PS3 sales, so I don't see Sony coming out with a PS4/Pro Super Slim unless it would make the hardware more profitable over the remainder of the PS4's lifespan. And we've never seen a price cut this late in a system's life, with the latest being in Year 5; the PS3 got a $50 price cut in Sept. 2012, and while it did have a stimulative effect, it was short-lived. As with a hypothetical Super Slim, I don't see Sony issuing a price cut unless they think it'll make the PS4 more profitable over the remainder of its life, because the benefits to sales volume provided by late-life price drops aren't that great.

they could've reached over 90m PS3s easily with a cut to $200 in September 2012 (for the 160gb)

They should not miss their chance to get more hardware and therefore more PSN accounts and software sales before PS4 runs out of life.  Gotta get it to the mass market price PS3 never reached.  There's no cell to keep it expensive this time.  They will still profit at $200 and it will get them huge sales.  Bundle it with a big software title like GoW, Spidey, Days Gone, etc.

 

If they don't lower price on both it will be a weird situation of PS4 Pro being the same price as PS5 and PS4 base being just $100 cheaper.  Would kill late sales of PS4 (that's one of the big reasons PS3 got cut off was because its price was still too high). 



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potato_hamster said:
Burning Typhoon said:

By that logic, a PS3 would be even cheaper.  There comes a point of diminishing returns.  I don't think it would be fair make an even smaller PS4 pro, and have yet another PS4 that is even smaller than it.  I think that the base PS4 should be phased out too.  If a new ps4 pro is so small, to the point that you'd only save 50 dollars with a base PS4, it really doesn't make sense to keep it around.  I'd think it should be removed out of respect to the consumer.  Even today, as someone who owns both a PS4 and a PS4 Pro, I never play my PS4 anymore.  All my multi-plats are on PC, and for exclusives, they're only on my pro.  Putting up with as little frame drops as possible.

I don't even use 4k settings or super sampling, I always hit the performance options.

None of this makes any sense whatsoever. None of it. I don't even get why someone would still own a PS4 after owning a PS4 Pro.

Like, you know there's a reason why Sony sells more PS4s during Black Friday sales than at any other point in the year, right? Why do you think that is?

I don't necessarily agree with the person you are talking to, but I still own my original PS4 despite having bought the PS4 Pro.  Mainly because I will own these suckers forever.  20 years from now I may want to fire up a PS4 game (assuming BC is never again a thing) and I want a backup.

More on topic.  Whatever makes a cheaper PS4, Pro or otherwise, would be the hope.  A Super Slim is not necessarily what is needed rather than just a straight up lower price either due to good old cheaper over time manufacturing or a revision using 7nm but essentially the same size box.



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If heat production will get low enough to make them possible, entry level Super Slim and Pro Slim both make sense, they give slightly lower pruduction costs, considerably lower warehousing and shipping costs and they make happy retailers too as they use less shelf space, and on top of all this, the Japanese market likes slim and super slim versions a lot.



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potato_hamster said:
zorg1000 said:

It only represents ~75% of sales, clearly it's time to discontinue it.

It's probably even higher than that now. PS4 Pro represented 20-25% of sales when it first came out, but I think it might have dropped off since then.

I'm assuming melbye naively assumes that if Sony stopped selling the PS4 then developers would only have to develop with the PS4 Pro in mind, and not be forced to still support the regular PS4 at all.

Can you imagine the blowback from PS4 owners who have had their consoles for any number of years and have bought the bulk of the software, finding out that if they wanted new games they would have to upgrade, and with the PS5 around the corner Pro only development wouldn't excite anyone, anyway what you wrote at the beginning leads me to believe you assumed it to be rather wishful anyway.



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Alby_da_Wolf said:
If heat production will get low enough to make them possible, entry level Super Slim and Pro Slim both make sense, they give slightly lower pruduction costs, considerably lower warehousing and shipping costs and they make happy retailers too as they use less shelf space, and on top of all this, the Japanese market likes slim and super slim versions a lot.

And there is a good bunch of people that double or triple dip (some would sell their original system though). So a new model will attract some sales.

Although I had a PS3 super slim coming the year before PS4, but Sony never made it.

twintail said:
Robert_Downey_Jr. said:

they could've reached over 90m PS3s easily with a cut to $200 in September 2012 (for the 160gb)

They should not miss their chance to get more hardware and therefore more PSN accounts and software sales before PS4 runs out of life.  Gotta get it to the mass market price PS3 never reached.  There's no cell to keep it expensive this time.  They will still profit at $200 and it will get them huge sales.  Bundle it with a big software title like GoW, Spidey, Days Gone, etc.

 

If they don't lower price on both it will be a weird situation of PS4 Pro being the same price as PS5 and PS4 base being just $100 cheaper.  Would kill late sales of PS4 (that's one of the big reasons PS3 got cut off was because its price was still too high). 

Both Slim and Pro will have price cuts by the time the PS5 arrives; I doubt they are going to let the PS4 just die off like that.

But that said I disagree with the idea that they will get more PSN accounts (I assume you mean subscribers for online). At $200 you are most likely hitting an audience that doesn't have the money for a continual subscription, or are getting a PS4 as an additional device to what they ow, meaning they dont need the subscription most likely.

i dont think there is a guarantee that get more money from a lower PS4 than what they have it priced at now.

A price cut i time for Days Gone or TloU2 will definitely help with mass market appeal, but I am sure it is done in time for PS5s arrival at least, creating various tiers for users to jump into.

People are complex. Some will look at above 200 USD for the system and frown, but pay 60 USD for PSN+ or new games without much problem. It all depends on how much the person value the system and the service/game.

I rather pay 1000 USD on the system and games start selling for less than 30 USD, than pay 200 USD on the system and games for 60 USD, because the HW for 1000 can have much more power than for 200.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Probably both, and produced in a 7nm EUV process, which means they can both get released by the end of the year, in time for the holiday season