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Will we get PS4 Super Slim and/or PS4 Pro Slim?

PS4 Super Slim and PS4 Pro Slim 17 35.42%
 
only PS4 Super Slim 4 8.33%
 
only PS4 Pro Slim 7 14.58%
 
no new hardware until PS5 20 41.67%
 
Total:48

A final $199 revision would make sense.


If anything phases out it will be the Pro, I doubt they’ll be any big statement. You’ll just slowly see Sony push bundles with the cheap slim and then suddenly Pro will be hard to find at stores.Pro doesn’t make sense once the PS5 arrives. They’d want to push PS5 adoption as the premium experience and a dirt cheap PS4 for late adopters and cost weary consumers. I see no need to overcrowd their shelve space with PS4 Pros which no longer have any purpose in the market.



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potato_hamster said:
melbye said:

I'm just thinking that if the Slim Pro is cheap enough another PS4 SKU would be a waste of resources

... wouldn't a super slim regular PS4 be even cheaper again?

By that logic, a PS3 would be even cheaper.  There comes a point of diminishing returns.  I don't think it would be fair make an even smaller PS4 pro, and have yet another PS4 that is even smaller than it.  I think that the base PS4 should be phased out too.  If a new ps4 pro is so small, to the point that you'd only save 50 dollars with a base PS4, it really doesn't make sense to keep it around.  I'd think it should be removed out of respect to the consumer.  Even today, as someone who owns both a PS4 and a PS4 Pro, I never play my PS4 anymore.  All my multi-plats are on PC, and for exclusives, they're only on my pro.  Putting up with as little frame drops as possible.

I don't even use 4k settings or super sampling, I always hit the performance options.



Nothing.

But just thinking about it's possible design is quite fun. I mean, the Pro could revert back to looking like a normal PS4 due to it having a triple cheeseburger kinda look,lol.



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Burning Typhoon said:
potato_hamster said:

... wouldn't a super slim regular PS4 be even cheaper again?

By that logic, a PS3 would be even cheaper.  There comes a point of diminishing returns.  I don't think it would be fair make an even smaller PS4 pro, and have yet another PS4 that is even smaller than it.  I think that the base PS4 should be phased out too.  If a new ps4 pro is so small, to the point that you'd only save 50 dollars with a base PS4, it really doesn't make sense to keep it around.  I'd think it should be removed out of respect to the consumer.  Even today, as someone who owns both a PS4 and a PS4 Pro, I never play my PS4 anymore.  All my multi-plats are on PC, and for exclusives, they're only on my pro.  Putting up with as little frame drops as possible.

I don't even use 4k settings or super sampling, I always hit the performance options.

None of this makes any sense whatsoever. None of it. I don't even get why someone would still own a PS4 after owning a PS4 Pro.

Like, you know there's a reason why Sony sells more PS4s during Black Friday sales than at any other point in the year, right? Why do you think that is?



Megiddo said:
NobleTeam360 said:
Nah, I personally never liked when MS and Sony did more than one slim revision on their consoles (even though Sony has done it with PS2 and PS3 and MS with 360) Even still, I hope they don't.

What exactly is it that you didn't like about it? I'm not really seeing any potential negatives on the consumer side so I'm not sure how having another option could be disliked? Unless providing more options is too much to handle for a consumer?

Collectors have to buy all versions... Just hope he doesn't buy all colors =p



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Burning Typhoon said:
potato_hamster said:

... wouldn't a super slim regular PS4 be even cheaper again?

By that logic, a PS3 would be even cheaper.  There comes a point of diminishing returns.  I don't think it would be fair make an even smaller PS4 pro, and have yet another PS4 that is even smaller than it.  I think that the base PS4 should be phased out too.  If a new ps4 pro is so small, to the point that you'd only save 50 dollars with a base PS4, it really doesn't make sense to keep it around.  I'd think it should be removed out of respect to the consumer.  Even today, as someone who owns both a PS4 and a PS4 Pro, I never play my PS4 anymore.  All my multi-plats are on PC, and for exclusives, they're only on my pro.  Putting up with as little frame drops as possible.

I don't even use 4k settings or super sampling, I always hit the performance options.

Different HW, comparison makes no sense.

But in the case of PS4 vs Pro, they are about the same but with double size GPU and small gain on CPU, so they won't cost less than vanila.



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I think the next PS4 revision will be when they announce the PS5, which will be this year.



Shadow1980 said:

If the PS5 really is due out next year (which is highly likely), then I'd be inclined to say we won't see anything, especially in light of similar things on the PS3. The PS3 Super Slim had no real impact on PS3 sales, so I don't see Sony coming out with a PS4/Pro Super Slim unless it would make the hardware more profitable over the remainder of the PS4's lifespan. And we've never seen a price cut this late in a system's life, with the latest being in Year 5; the PS3 got a $50 price cut in Sept. 2012, and while it did have a stimulative effect, it was short-lived. As with a hypothetical Super Slim, I don't see Sony issuing a price cut unless they think it'll make the PS4 more profitable over the remainder of its life, because the benefits to sales volume provided by late-life price drops aren't that great.

they could've reached over 90m PS3s easily with a cut to $200 in September 2012 (for the 160gb)

They should not miss their chance to get more hardware and therefore more PSN accounts and software sales before PS4 runs out of life.  Gotta get it to the mass market price PS3 never reached.  There's no cell to keep it expensive this time.  They will still profit at $200 and it will get them huge sales.  Bundle it with a big software title like GoW, Spidey, Days Gone, etc.

 

If they don't lower price on both it will be a weird situation of PS4 Pro being the same price as PS5 and PS4 base being just $100 cheaper.  Would kill late sales of PS4 (that's one of the big reasons PS3 got cut off was because its price was still too high). 



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potato_hamster said:
Burning Typhoon said:

By that logic, a PS3 would be even cheaper.  There comes a point of diminishing returns.  I don't think it would be fair make an even smaller PS4 pro, and have yet another PS4 that is even smaller than it.  I think that the base PS4 should be phased out too.  If a new ps4 pro is so small, to the point that you'd only save 50 dollars with a base PS4, it really doesn't make sense to keep it around.  I'd think it should be removed out of respect to the consumer.  Even today, as someone who owns both a PS4 and a PS4 Pro, I never play my PS4 anymore.  All my multi-plats are on PC, and for exclusives, they're only on my pro.  Putting up with as little frame drops as possible.

I don't even use 4k settings or super sampling, I always hit the performance options.

None of this makes any sense whatsoever. None of it. I don't even get why someone would still own a PS4 after owning a PS4 Pro.

Like, you know there's a reason why Sony sells more PS4s during Black Friday sales than at any other point in the year, right? Why do you think that is?

I don't necessarily agree with the person you are talking to, but I still own my original PS4 despite having bought the PS4 Pro.  Mainly because I will own these suckers forever.  20 years from now I may want to fire up a PS4 game (assuming BC is never again a thing) and I want a backup.

More on topic.  Whatever makes a cheaper PS4, Pro or otherwise, would be the hope.  A Super Slim is not necessarily what is needed rather than just a straight up lower price either due to good old cheaper over time manufacturing or a revision using 7nm but essentially the same size box.



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Robert_Downey_Jr. said:

they could've reached over 90m PS3s easily with a cut to $200 in September 2012 (for the 160gb)

They should not miss their chance to get more hardware and therefore more PSN accounts and software sales before PS4 runs out of life.  Gotta get it to the mass market price PS3 never reached.  There's no cell to keep it expensive this time.  They will still profit at $200 and it will get them huge sales.  Bundle it with a big software title like GoW, Spidey, Days Gone, etc.

 

If they don't lower price on both it will be a weird situation of PS4 Pro being the same price as PS5 and PS4 base being just $100 cheaper.  Would kill late sales of PS4 (that's one of the big reasons PS3 got cut off was because its price was still too high). 

In the U.S., the PS3's drop in August 2011 from $300 to $250 has almost no impact on sales. There was a roughly 20% YoY jump in September, but that's about it. August was still down, October was flat, the holidays were barely up (and that could be due to Black Friday deals, which first started to be a big deal for hardware that year), Q1 was down YoY in 2012, and Q2-Q4 were down even more. In Japan, there was a ¥5000 price cut at the same time, and the impact was likewise very modest and quite short-lived.

Late-life price cuts like that don't do anything major. There is absolutely no precedent for modest price cuts providing a major stimulus to sales after the first several years (price cuts generally result in diminishing returns over time), nor for deeper price cuts being issued at all this late in a system's life. At best, it may reduce the rate of decline a bit, but that's it. Sony is going to look at that experience with the PS3 and likely come to the conclusion that the PS4 isn't going to see any significant growth anymore even if they issue a price cut.