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Playstation 4 is the 2nd best selling home console ever in the "Rest of the World"

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Shadow1980 said:
HoloDust said:

I see no problem in math here - buy new console, hack it, or have someone do it, play pirated games. Only cost is new console and perhaps hacking, all else is free.
This happened a lot in PS2 era, this is happening now with PS4 to some degree - new consoles being sold, then hacked - they count in those totals. Sooner the popular console is hacked, sooner it picks up in RoW.

For the console to be hacked, someone has to buy a new legit console from a retailer. And if they sell that hacked console, that doesn't count towards sales figures. Second-hand sales are never tracked. They don't count as part of shipment figures, and they're not part of the retail chain tracked by the likes of NPD or Media Create. Therefore, none of the 155M PS2s counted in that total were hacked systems when shipped to retailers or initially sold to customers at said retailers. Therefore, the PS2s sales total was not inflated by hacked systems.

I dont think you are quite understanding him. A console getting hacked increases demand in these smaller, poorer countries. Hes not saying that Sony is shipping hacked consoles.



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I know Nintendo has a decent presence in Australia and South Korea. Not sure about any of the other RoW countries. Sony, on the other hand, I'm sure they can sell a Playstation in any country where they have already sold a TV or stereo or some other type of electronics.



CrazyGPU said:
Shadow1980 said:
Considering that official end-life sales totals for consoles are technically still shipments (it's just once the last batches of systems are shipped and remaining supply sold off in stores, sales finally do equal shipments), I fail to see how piracy counts towards lifetime system sales. I mean, were Sony shipping bootleg PS2s themselves or something? As far as I'm aware, all the official final lifetime tallies for consoles that we have includes only legit new systems sold by retailers, not bootleg or other second-hand market sales.

 

Shadow1980 said:

For the console to be hacked, someone has to buy a new legit console from a retailer. And if they sell that hacked console, that doesn't count towards sales figures. Second-hand sales are never tracked. They don't count as part of shipment figures, and they're not part of the retail chain tracked by the likes of NPD or Media Create. Therefore, none of the 155M PS2s counted in that total were hacked systems when shipped to retailers or initially sold to customers at said retailers. Therefore, the PS2s sales total was not inflated by hacked systems.

It is. The thinking for som people in a developing country where salary is 500 uss a month is like this. 

If there is hardware piracy:

"The Hacked console cost me 300 USS, all the games are free. Im going to buy it". So he buys the console to the guy that chipped it, that guy sells the console  to the buyer and order another original one from retailers  for the next guy that wants one chipped. Sony earns 1 sell.

(The guy that chipped the console order consoles from retailers. If many guys sell many chipped consoles from retailers, Sony will increase shipments. )

if there isn´t hardware piracy:

"The non Hacked one cost me 300, games cost me 60 uss each. I can´t afford to play at that cost. Im not buying anything. Sony doesn´t earn anything. "

Hence, when consoles are pirated, the number of consoles sold increase, inflating the number of total systems sold.

The PS2 was pirated and that was one of the reasons that increased total sales. 

 



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CrazyGPU said:
Shadow1980 said:
Considering that official end-life sales totals for consoles are technically still shipments (it's just once the last batches of systems are shipped and remaining supply sold off in stores, sales finally do equal shipments), I fail to see how piracy counts towards lifetime system sales. I mean, were Sony shipping bootleg PS2s themselves or something? As far as I'm aware, all the official final lifetime tallies for consoles that we have includes only legit new systems sold by retailers, not bootleg or other second-hand market sales.

 

Shadow1980 said:

For the console to be hacked, someone has to buy a new legit console from a retailer. And if they sell that hacked console, that doesn't count towards sales figures. Second-hand sales are never tracked. They don't count as part of shipment figures, and they're not part of the retail chain tracked by the likes of NPD or Media Create. Therefore, none of the 155M PS2s counted in that total were hacked systems when shipped to retailers or initially sold to customers at said retailers. Therefore, the PS2s sales total was not inflated by hacked systems.

It is. The thinking for som people in a developing country where salary is 500 uss a month is like this. 

If there is hardware piracy:

"The Hacked console cost me 300 USS, all the games are free. Im going to buy it". So he buys the console to the guy that chipped it, that guy sells the console  to the buyer and order another original one from retailers  for the next guy that wants one chipped. Sony earns 1 sell.

(The guy that chipped the console order consoles from retailers. If many guys sell many chipped consoles from retailers, Sony will increase shipments. )

if there isn´t hardware piracy:

"The non Hacked one cost me 300, games cost me 60 uss each. I can´t afford to play at that cost. Im not buying anything. Sony doesn´t earn anything. "

Hence, when consoles are pirated, the number of consoles sold increase, inflating the number of total systems sold.

The PS2 was pirated and that was one of the reasons that increased total sales. 

 

So basically you're saying that the initial buyer of the legit system hacks it and then sells it second-hand at an equal or lower price than what he paid, putting greater demand on him to purchase more original units?



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Shadow1980 said:

So basically you're saying that the initial buyer of the legit system hacks it and then sells it second-hand at an equal or lower price than what he paid, putting greater demand on him to purchase more original units?

It can work both ways. The hacker could buy the consoles, hack them and then sell, most likely at a slight markup so that it's profitable for them. Or somebody could buy the system direct from a shop, take it to a hacker and pay for the console to be hacked. Either way there's greater demand in that country for consoles, whether it's the hacker directly buying them or people buying them directly from retailers and then taking them to be hacked, or even hacking them themselves I guess, no idea how hard that would be to do.



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About the piracy stuff though... Brazil didn`t see official release of PS1 and PS2, so all our bootlegged consoles were actually accounted in USA because that was where grey market picked them at the time to sell through Paraguay, modded in Brazil and sold to customers.

So in the end RotW is even bigger and USA smaller.

And even though piracy helped PS1 and PS2 exposition in 3rd world, on total amount of piracy you can bet USA and Europe had more than South America, and even without piracy they would have won (as shown by PS3 and PS4) just would have sold considerably less. Mind you that other consoles also had piracy as well.



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Evilms said:

Rest of the world = PlayStation land since the PSX.

 

PS2 : 25.57 m

PS4 : 16.21 m

PSP : 15.26 m

PS3 : 12.46 m

PS1 : 9.04 m

PSV : 2.41 m

PSX is a wrong monicker for PS1, there is actually a PSX https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSX_(digital_video_recorder)



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zorg1000 said:
Shadow1980 said:

For the console to be hacked, someone has to buy a new legit console from a retailer. And if they sell that hacked console, that doesn't count towards sales figures. Second-hand sales are never tracked. They don't count as part of shipment figures, and they're not part of the retail chain tracked by the likes of NPD or Media Create. Therefore, none of the 155M PS2s counted in that total were hacked systems when shipped to retailers or initially sold to customers at said retailers. Therefore, the PS2s sales total was not inflated by hacked systems.

I dont think you are quite understanding him. A console getting hacked increases demand in these smaller, poorer countries. Hes not saying that Sony is shipping hacked consoles.

This is irrelevant, really. All systems are eligible for hacking, so it is just another facet of demand for a machine. It's all comparable.



No. PS3 was not as hackable as PS2 and it got hacked at the end of its life. I don't know about hacked PS4s and also is not the same as before as people love playing online much more than they use to. And with PS4 you'll probably get a bricked console, thing that didn't happen with PS2. So PS2 numbers were up much more than PS3 and even more than PS4 because of piracy.. In south Americq most people play Fifa with friends and you need to be online for that.