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Price, SKUs, specs ?

Only Base Model, $399, 9-10TF GPU, 16GB RAM 18 26.87%
 
Only Base Model, $449, 10-12TF GPU, 16GB RAM 10 14.93%
 
Only Base Model, $499, 12-14TF GPU, 24GB RAM 18 26.87%
 
Base Model $399 and PREMIUM $499 specs Ans3 10 14.93%
 
Base Mod $399 / PREM $549, >14TF 24GB RAM 5 7.46%
 
Base Mod $449 / PREM $599, the absolute Elite 6 8.96%
 
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BraLoD said:

Rumours have been that PS5 hardware is fully focused on being as integrated as possible with VR from a new PSVR headset also in the making.

It would make a lot of sense to announce both of them closely or even together if that's true, as its expected to support a next level quality VR since day 1.

That's stupid. The sales numbers from PS4's VR and software/games don't justify a heavy push with the PS5.

Yes, PlayStation has the majority of the market over Vive and Oculus - but that doesn't mean those sales numbers are huge.

VR headset reception has been moderate AT BEST.



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TranceformerFX said:
BraLoD said:

Rumours have been that PS5 hardware is fully focused on being as integrated as possible with VR from a new PSVR headset also in the making.

It would make a lot of sense to announce both of them closely or even together if that's true, as its expected to support a next level quality VR since day 1.

That's stupid. The sales numbers from PS4's VR and software/games don't justify a heavy push with the PS5.

Yes, PlayStation has the majority of the market over Vive and Oculus - but that doesn't mean those sales numbers are huge.

VR headset reception has been moderate AT BEST.

It's not stupid, it's a rumour.



CrazyGPU said:
I dont think it will be 10 time more powerfull, but I hope it will be 6-7 times more powerfull. that would give it arround 12-14Teraflops, enough for 4k at high quality. 32 GB of RAM would be nice. And probably a 2 TB Hard disk drive. SSD is too expensive, but it might replace a disk like that. A bandwith of 0.8-1 TB/s would be great too. I would like a CPU at least 2 times faster than the current. Anyway, its going to be a long time, I guess six years after PS4 Launch, 2019. But if Microsoft and Nintendo continue selling a lot less, then next gen could come earlier.

That was my december 2014 post...

5 years later I think Sony won´t get that far. I would like 12 - 14 TF , but 10 - 12 a more conservative guess now. Also 32 GB is too generous, 16 or 24 at most will be doable. 0.8 TB/s now can be done with 30% more efficiency, would be like 560 GB/s and can happen. I expect a 256 bit bus with DDR 6. we´ll see.

At least by now I got 2 predictions right:

A CPU 2 times faster than PS4 will happen with Ryzen. (Ryzen wasn´t known in 2014)

And  the next gen came earlier with Switch. (2014 was Wii U time)



Intrinsic said:

Here's mine

PS5
CPU Zen2 8 cores 16 threads@ 3.2Ghz
GPU Navi 11.9TF, 72CU@1300Mhz
RAM 16GB GDDR6, 256 Bitbus, 512GB/s Bandwidth + 4GB LPDDR4 
STORAGE 240GB embedded Nand Flash Primary drive + 2TB HDD secondary
PRICE $399


XBOX 
CPU Zen2 8 cores 16 threads@ 3.5Ghz
GPU Navi 13.1TF, 72CU@1425Mhz
RAM 16GB GDDR6, 256 Bitbus, 512GB/s Bandwidth + 4GB LPDDR4 
STORAGE 240GB embedded Nand Flash Primary drive + 2TB HDD secondary
PRICE $399

XBOX Lite
CPU Zen2 8 cores 16 threads@ 3Ghz
GPU Navi 7.1TF, 56CU@1000Mhz
RAM 12GB GDDR6, 192 Bitbus, 384GB/s Bandwidth + 4GB LPDDR4 
STORAGE 120GB embedded Nand Flash Primary drive + 1TB HDD secondary
PRICE $299

 

I agree with this, but I would expect a 450 U$S price tag. Maybe Sony also save money with Zen instead of Zen 2, but it would be stupid as Zen 2 is more power efficient. Why do you think XBOX wil be faster? do you think It will lauch later with a better process?.

Are this numbers calculated with a 330 mm2 APU in mind?



CrazyGPU said:
CrazyGPU said:
I dont think it will be 10 time more powerfull, but I hope it will be 6-7 times more powerfull. that would give it arround 12-14Teraflops, enough for 4k at high quality. 32 GB of RAM would be nice. And probably a 2 TB Hard disk drive. SSD is too expensive, but it might replace a disk like that. A bandwith of 0.8-1 TB/s would be great too. I would like a CPU at least 2 times faster than the current. Anyway, its going to be a long time, I guess six years after PS4 Launch, 2019. But if Microsoft and Nintendo continue selling a lot less, then next gen could come earlier.

That was my december 2014 post...

5 years later I think Sony won´t get that far. I would like 12 - 14 TF , but 10 - 12 a more conservative guess now. Also 32 GB is too generous, 16 or 24 at most will be doable. 0.8 TB/s now can be done with 30% more efficiency, would be like 560 GB/s and can happen. I expect a 256 bit bus with DDR 6. we´ll see.

At least by now I got 2 predictions right:

A CPU 2 times faster than PS4 will happen with Ryzen. (Ryzen wasn´t known in 2014)

And  the next gen came earlier with Switch. (2014 was Wii U time)

I think I remember you posting that weirdly enough lol



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BraLoD said:
DonFerrari said:

You are invited. There is Driveclub VR, Until Dawn Shooter (forgot the real name), Creed, GTS (VR mode is bad though), FarPoint, VR World, and a few others, if you have Resident Evil 7 bring it.

Send me PM when you have the time to come to São José dos Campos.

No Ace Combat 7? And you call that an invite!

A friend of mine here have it but haven't come to my house to play.

Well bring your copy =p



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CrazyGPU said:

A CPU 2 times faster than PS4 will happen with Ryzen. (Ryzen wasn´t known in 2014)

AMD Hired Jim Keller in 2012. That is when we knew something big was happening... And that design would be Ryzen.
In 2015 it was formally revealed that Ryzen existed... But anyone in the know who traveled the enthusiast circles, knew about Ryzen well before that.



HoloDust said:
Nate4Drake said:

Yep.  I was looking at some info about PRO more efficient GPU/architecture : ""The original PS4 didn’t exactly ship with a surfeit of bandwidth, at 186 GB/S, and the PS4 Pro only features a modest bump in bandwidth to 218 GB/S, which is pedestrian compared to cards like the 390X—at 384 GB/S—targeting higher resolutions.

What’s the solution here? As always, the Polaris answer is “more for less.” The next-generation delta colour compression tech onboard the PS4 Pro’s GPU is 30 percent more efficient colour compression on the 290X/390X. Colour compression reduces the size of the framebuffer, thereby reducing actual memory bandwidth needs. With 30 percent more efficient colour compression, the Pro’s GPU has an effective bandwidth of 283 GB/S as compared to the 390X. Because the Pro doesn’t offer that much bandwidth as is, color compression and reduced bandwidth requirements will enable it to hit playable framerates at higher resolutions—which is the whole point of the Pro in the first place.""

  Basicly it's not only a matter of raw power and numbers, but "balance and efficiency", and I'm confident Sony and AMD will pull out an amazing piece of hardware.  

 That said, I believe Sony will push a bit more the hardware boundaries this time around, and they won't play the really "cheapest and safest" way like they did with PS4. 

  I think most of us will be amazed by the PS5 capabilities.  

  

Well, they didn't really play cheapest and safest way with PS4 - only thing that was cheap was Jaguar, 8GB GDDR5 came as a surprise to many, even Mark Rein from Epic was surprised after reaveal (or acted quite surprised in one of aftershow interviews)...slightly cut down 7870/7970m class GPU was also better than what many expected, they could've gone with something similar to XONe's GPU and still have slightly better performing console due to GDDR5 and/or higher clock.

I remember, many were surprised about the 8GB GDDR5; but if I think about it now, I really understand why it was 8GB and not 4GB of total system RAM; try to imagine to have only 1-2GB for Gaming and 2 or 3GB for the OS;  somehow I was expecting 8GB for PS4 and X1, and the same for the GPU.    The CPU, as you said, was the only one underwhelming component, in order to sell at $399 on Day One.

  About PS5, my prediction is always the same, at least 14TF GPU and 24GB of Total System Ram, and a very competitive CPU this time around :)



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Pemalite said:
CrazyGPU said:

A CPU 2 times faster than PS4 will happen with Ryzen. (Ryzen wasn´t known in 2014)

AMD Hired Jim Keller in 2012. That is when we knew something big was happening... And that design would be Ryzen.
In 2015 it was formally revealed that Ryzen existed... But anyone in the know who traveled the enthusiast circles, knew about Ryzen well before that.

But nobody knew the final design  or if it was going to get into consoles. They had bigger chips before and used Jaguar cores....



CrazyGPU said:
Pemalite said:

AMD Hired Jim Keller in 2012. That is when we knew something big was happening... And that design would be Ryzen.
In 2015 it was formally revealed that Ryzen existed... But anyone in the know who traveled the enthusiast circles, knew about Ryzen well before that.

But nobody knew the final design  or if it was going to get into consoles. They had bigger chips before and used Jaguar cores....

Consoles are cost sensitive devices, they have historically opted to spend more on GPU than the CPU... Having a larger amount of die space reserved for the CPU is counter-intuitive.
Jaguar fits in with that paradigm... Only the Playstation 3 was the real deviation and was a console that generally took CPU performance seriously. (But with it's own caveats.)

Ryzen from the get-go was built as a very tiny core, so it will be perfect for next-gen... Bulldozer on the other--hand was a monolithic core/module for it's process and not ideal... Not an impossible choice, but not ideal.