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Price, SKUs, specs ?

Only Base Model, $399, 9-10TF GPU, 16GB RAM 24 30.00%
 
Only Base Model, $449, 10-12TF GPU, 16GB RAM 13 16.25%
 
Only Base Model, $499, 12-14TF GPU, 24GB RAM 21 26.25%
 
Base Model $399 and PREMIUM $499 specs Ans3 10 12.50%
 
Base Mod $399 / PREM $549, >14TF 24GB RAM 5 6.25%
 
Base Mod $449 / PREM $599, the absolute Elite 7 8.75%
 
Total:80
Intrinsic said:
DonFerrari said:

It is either this or they'll make all reveal in E3 2020 and launch November...

If they were to show PS5 at a special event near 2019 E3 then they wouldn't leave E3 this year and cancel their PSX.

Or they could do a september 2019 reveal at a september PSX event and release the console 6 months later in march 2020.

No rule that says PSX must be in december or even in one country. 

Sure they could. They haven't made march a release date for PS that I remember but sure they could.

The point is just that they wouldn't skip E3 to reveal PS5 on close weeks to it.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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BraLoD said:
DonFerrari said:

Sure we can take a bet on LoD if you win or Soul Reaver if I win. I wouldn't ever bet that you can't say anymore that LoD2 is coming =p

PS3 offered superior HW over X360 (even more because of the BD) and still had a hard time costing 499-599.

As I said, PS5 can sell well launching for 499 against a X2 of 399 if all the money goes on HW itself without peripherals or unnecessary stuff. But it wouldn't see a hot start as PS4. People are to attached to low price, so raising the initial price by 100 even if inflation itself would make it, does a hard deal. Would be easier to see Sony making a 499 HW sold by 399 and eating up loss for first year offset by PSN+ than they just releasing for 499.

Then it's settled.

I use a SR avy for a month if you win or you use a LoD avy for a month if I win.

If it's anything lower than 399, in between 399 and 499, or over 499 then nobody needs to change avy.

*399 also equals to 400 and 499 also equals to 500, meaning 399 or 400 you win and 499 or 500 I win.

Is it fine for you?

BTW, if I win and you like using a LoD avatar after that month you can keep it forever

Would be to boring of a bet. You think they are going more premium, I think they want mass market price. So Below 450 I win, above 450 you win, on 450 we both lose =p and change avatars. At least we chose good games.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

BraLoD said:
DonFerrari said:

Would be to boring of a bet. You think they are going more premium, I think they want mass market price. So Below 450 I win, above 450 you win, on 450 we both lose =p and change avatars. At least we chose good games.

Well, I would not discard 449/450, I'm only completely sure it won't be 399/400 xP

But you know what? Fine. 449 you also win.

By the way I just saw Nate4Drake post on your quote tree from before and he is talking about a rumor with specs basically exactly what I'm thinking about, lol.

PS5 gonna be a monster.

SW will make it a monster... LOD2 and SR3 as launch titles =O

So 449 and below mine, 451 and above yours. 450 we double KO



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Mr Puggsly said:
TranceformerFX said:

Yeah. I'm betting 8GB will be dedicated for video games, and the other 8GB will be dedicated to the Operating System/Console features. Which will be great news for developers and users alike.

I'm also hoping that the PS5 controllers support USB-C ports/quick charging, external hard drive support right out the gate, and consistent "true" HDR output to ALL compatible TV's. (none of that boosted contrast or washed out flat colors bullshit)

8GB would be too low, the X1X is already working with 9GB. I think a realistic range would be 12GB-16GB dedicated to games.

Looking at some BFV benchmarks, 8GB is pushing it at Ultra settings.

 

Too low? 8GB is already more than double of what the PS4/Pro works with. There are way too many posters in here with "PC Gaming" mindsets. 12 GB reserved for video games/developers? That's batshit crazy and absolutely will not be the case... That's just dumb.

 

People in here need to stop thinking of the PS5 specs as if they were building a gaming PC. Like seriously, stop...



TranceformerFX said:
Mr Puggsly said:

8GB would be too low, the X1X is already working with 9GB. I think a realistic range would be 12GB-16GB dedicated to games.

Looking at some BFV benchmarks, 8GB is pushing it at Ultra settings.

 

Too low? 8GB is already more than double of what the PS4/Pro works with. There are way too many posters in here with "PC Gaming" mindsets. 12 GB reserved for video games/developers? That's batshit crazy and absolutely will not be the case... That's just dumb.

 

People in here need to stop thinking of the PS5 specs as if they were building a gaming PC. Like seriously, stop...

Uhmmm... no. The PS4 uses 5GB of RAM, I think the Pro boosted it to 5.5. And again, the X1X is using 9GB of RAM for games, 12GB in total.

The 8th gen consoles launched in 2013 with 8GB of RAM. You really think 16GB of RAM for 9th gen is too high? I feel an expectation of 12GB to 16GB for games is actually realistic when you consider all of that.

Do you really think 9th gen consoles will launch with less memory than a X1X? That's would be pretty amazing.



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I mean, hopefully someone intelligent at Sony looks at the current PS4 sales crushing it since its launch price of $399, and then looks at the beginning & cumulative sales of consoles that launched at $499 (read: Xbox One) and $599 (read; PS3) and realizes that those price points are simply too much.

Are they maybe okay for an elite system though? Perhaps but one would think Sony would wait on that 3 years into the PS5's life cycle for a new sales boost just like with PS4 Pro.

Back in 1994 and then in 2000 if anyone had come and said anything for $399 it would have been DOA. And now $399 (thanks to the 360 and the PS3 costing $200 more) is considered as entry level pricing.

I really think next gen we will see $499 consoles and I don't think it will be a problem. Mostly because I dont believe that the XB1 being $500 was why it did poorly. If yu really think abut it from the time it got diskinected it has mostly cost less than the PS4. 

DonFerrari said:

Sure they could. They haven't made march a release date for PS that I remember but sure they could.

The point is just that they wouldn't skip E3 to reveal PS5 on close weeks to it.

How does everyone seem to forget that the PS2 released in march in japan first? r that the PS4 released in febuary in japan months after its western debut.

I agree with you on the timing though..... though I feel you are attaching to much relevance to E3....... simple truth is that its not what it used to be. And really what is it? A show where someone comes n stage and they show games that are live streamed? Well that can be done at any pint in the year. Especially not at a time when every other publisher is now having their own show....

Once upon a time E3 was Sony/nintendo/MS showing their games and sharing the third party publishers then the rest f the world having to wait abut a month for the news to hit magazines. Then that became waiting hours for news to hit websites. Now we watch them live..... and now we having almost every major publisher having their own show.

TranceformerFX said:

 

Too low? 8GB is already more than double of what the PS4/Pro works with. There are way too many posters in here with "PC Gaming" mindsets. 12 GB reserved for video games/developers? That's batshit crazy and absolutely will not be the case... That's just dumb.

 

People in here need to stop thinking of the PS5 specs as if they were building a gaming PC. Like seriously, stop...

I dont really get what you are saying......

PS4 has 8GB of RAM and 5GB of that is reserved for Devs and 3GB for the OS.

I am also guessing you would have been among those that considered it bat shit crazy when rumors f the current gen consoles suggested they were going from having 512MB to having 4GB of 8GB of RAM.

Unless next gen consoles are not using GDDR6 RAM (which is pretty much ridiculous to think they won't) the lowest they can go and still have respectable bandwidth is 16GB. The primary package for GDDR6 are 16Gb chips. Look at it this way, look at the MB of the PS4/PS4 pro. There are 8 chips of RAM there. Now replace those 8Gb(1GB) GDDR5 chips with 16Gb(2GB) GDDR6 ad yu effectively have 16GB of RAM while only increasing cost by about 30% of what it would cst them t put that 8GB right now. And significantly less than what it cost in 2013. 



Intrinsic said: 

Back in 1994 and then in 2000 if anyone had come and said anything for $399 it would have been DOA. And now $399 is considered as entry level pricing.

That's called inflation.



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Just because gaming PCs market is evolving slowly outside of high-end, I can expect an agreement between Sony and AMD, and between MS and AMD too, to use semicustom lightweight Zen 3 cores, and not late Zen 2 ones, the deal would give Sony and MS the maximum possible efficiency at a decent price and they'd give AMD in return quite a large initial market for its latest architecture and some help in the final phases of development and testing. BTW, just like it happened with PS4 and XBOne, PS5 and XBTwo would become a sort of unofficial HW reference platforms for PC gaming too, PC gamers would know that that HW power, plus some more to take into account the lower efficiency of PC compared with consoles with the same HW, would give them a machine able to run next gen games at acceptable performances, not to mention that as Zen 3, even in lightweight versions, is going to be quite a longer leap forward from previous gens than Jaguar compared with previous PC hardware, PC gamers could finally have a bigger incentive for a major upgrade than what they had when current gen started.



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TranceformerFX said:
Mr Puggsly said:

8GB would be too low, the X1X is already working with 9GB. I think a realistic range would be 12GB-16GB dedicated to games.

Looking at some BFV benchmarks, 8GB is pushing it at Ultra settings.

 

Too low? 8GB is already more than double of what the PS4/Pro works with. There are way too many posters in here with "PC Gaming" mindsets. 12 GB reserved for video games/developers? That's batshit crazy and absolutely will not be the case... That's just dumb.

 

People in here need to stop thinking of the PS5 specs as if they were building a gaming PC. Like seriously, stop...

Richard from digital foundry already said don’t be surprised if these new consoles have 24GB oh ram and he has reliable sources.

also 8GB being more than double PS4? Isn’t 5GB available to developers in the base system? And was’t PS4’s ram well above the PC average at launch (5 versus 2-4)?

Last edited by Otter - on 13 February 2019

For people who think there will be 2 PS5 models at launch, what exactly is the difference you think $100-200 is going to make?

Remember the whole basis of the 2 Xbox models is that one is essentially going to be a weak 1080p entry console at X1X level spec in 2020 ($299?). I just can’t see Sony doing that and without the base system being intentionally gimped, I don’t see how a premium at launch would offer a marketable difference.

Maybe Checkerboard 4K versus Native 4K could be the point but I’m not sure that’s compelling enough and regardless of how often the base PS5 hits 4K they’re going to market it as a 4K system just like the Pro. Also consider the cost inefficiency and slowing of production at launch by offering 2 different internal specs, and the chance to completely misjudge the demand for one system over another... it just doesn’t seem realistic.

A premium 4 years in with more raytraving capabilities, resolution boost (since not all PS5 games will hit 4K) stability & better HDD/SSD, generally higher graphics settings would make more sense and be far more financially viable and less disruptive to their marketing.