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Price, SKUs, specs ?

Only Base Model, $399, 9-10TF GPU, 16GB RAM 24 30.00%
 
Only Base Model, $449, 10-12TF GPU, 16GB RAM 13 16.25%
 
Only Base Model, $499, 12-14TF GPU, 24GB RAM 21 26.25%
 
Base Model $399 and PREMIUM $499 specs Ans3 10 12.50%
 
Base Mod $399 / PREM $549, >14TF 24GB RAM 5 6.25%
 
Base Mod $449 / PREM $599, the absolute Elite 7 8.75%
 
Total:80
Mr Puggsly on 12 February 2019
TranceformerFX said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Agreed, if they can dedicate 16GB of RAM that would be plenty.

Its also worth considering 5GB of RAM for games has actually been sufficient this gen and games generally have good or great textures. Memory usage on PC games is still around 8GB recommended. So adding 32GB is a waste, put those resources elsewhere.

Yeah. I'm betting 8GB will be dedicated for video games, and the other 8GB will be dedicated to the Operating System/Console features. Which will be great news for developers and users alike.

I'm also hoping that the PS5 controllers support USB-C ports/quick charging, external hard drive support right out the gate, and consistent "true" HDR output to ALL compatible TV's. (none of that boosted contrast or washed out flat colors bullshit)

8GB would be too low, the X1X is already working with 9GB. I think a realistic range would be 12GB-16GB dedicated to games.

Looking at some BFV benchmarks, 8GB is pushing it at Ultra settings.



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Cerebralbore101 on 12 February 2019
Pemalite said:
Random_Matt said:

Xbox was always slower, the x is no different. Boot up and install times are still horrible.

Is your Pro booting up from a cold boot though like my Xbox One X and PC? Or via a hibernate/stand-by mode? That is what really makes the difference... You can make the Xbox and PC boot instantly if you turn on similar options.

Either way... A console with mechanical disks isn't going to boot faster than a high-end PC with NVMe drives that's for sure. :P
Shit, my laptop with it's NVMe drive boots stupidly fast as well, takes me longer to input my 4-digit password.

Boots from cold taking about 25 seconds. Yeah, I timed it. That's including getting through all the screens to the main menu. Last time I had a PC without an SSD (2011) it took at least 45 seconds. The PC I had before this one had an SSD, but still took about 30 seconds to boot, because the SSD was getting old (3-4 years). SSDs add to the cost of a PC. But yeah, most people shouldn't build a PC without at least a small SSD to run windows from. It's part of the reason why I scoff at any PC under $750. 

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Random_Matt on 12 February 2019
Cerebralbore101 said:
Pemalite said:

Is your Pro booting up from a cold boot though like my Xbox One X and PC? Or via a hibernate/stand-by mode? That is what really makes the difference... You can make the Xbox and PC boot instantly if you turn on similar options.

Either way... A console with mechanical disks isn't going to boot faster than a high-end PC with NVMe drives that's for sure. :P
Shit, my laptop with it's NVMe drive boots stupidly fast as well, takes me longer to input my 4-digit password.

Boots from cold taking about 25 seconds. Yeah, I timed it. That's including getting through all the screens to the main menu. Last time I had a PC without an SSD (2011) it took at least 45 seconds. The PC I had before this one had an SSD, but still took about 30 seconds to boot, because the SSD was getting old (3-4 years). SSDs add to the cost of a PC. But yeah, most people shouldn't build a PC without at least a small SSD to run windows from. It's part of the reason why I scoff at any PC under $750. 

Even a standard 2.5 SSD shouldn't take that long, should be well under 20 seconds. Hell, even a sshd is not half bad on PC.



DonFerrari on 12 February 2019
BraLoD said:
DonFerrari said:

It is sweet spot based on anecdotes. X1 launched for 499 and after the first couple months it died out until the price cut and removal of peripheral. For a economy like USA 599 is little money, still the price to market that will have the sales starting high is 399 as proved through time. Would PS5 sell a lot at 499? Maybe, and only if Xbox is similar priced or much worse. And I doubt both. So if Sony put it at 499, they will have to cut price to fast, because only enthusiast will rush to buy it like that. They may enter another PS3 situation.

As much as we like to mock PS3 launching for 599, there was a 499 model as well, and it also had slow start.

XBO price point was bad because of what it packed.

It was pricer and less powerful than the direct competition because of a freaking pack in product nobody needed/wanted, plus all that DRM bullshit it pulled before launch. XBO had a damn lot of reasons to be ignored in favour of its direct competition.

As CGI doesn't want to, do you want to make a friendly bet over the price announcement then?

I say 499 you say 399, and we fix some small prank to the loser, like I making you use a LoD avatar for a month and you making me use one you want me to.

I'm very confident PS5 price will be higher than 399.

Sure we can take a bet on LoD if you win or Soul Reaver if I win. I wouldn't ever bet that you can't say anymore that LoD2 is coming =p

PS3 offered superior HW over X360 (even more because of the BD) and still had a hard time costing 499-599.

As I said, PS5 can sell well launching for 499 against a X2 of 399 if all the money goes on HW itself without peripherals or unnecessary stuff. But it wouldn't see a hot start as PS4. People are to attached to low price, so raising the initial price by 100 even if inflation itself would make it, does a hard deal. Would be easier to see Sony making a 499 HW sold by 399 and eating up loss for first year offset by PSN+ than they just releasing for 499.

Nate4Drake said:
Leak from a member at Beyond3d; same happened when first specs of WiiU were leaked.

""PS5 dev kits in the wild and i've some good news for you
System will be revealed close to E3 2019 in Sony's Special event with some mind-blowing tech demos and a few megatons and a release date for Q1-Q2 2020! The Last of Us Part 2's motion matching in 4K 60fps is a joy to watch!
Specifications:
CPU: 8Core/16Threads at 3.2Ghz (boost) Zen2 (this is the biggest improvement we've ever seen CPU-wise, even bigger than PS2 to PS3)
GPU: Fully NAVI-Based GPU with some AMD's next generation arch features at 12.6tf to 14.2tf (GPU clock still undecided)
Memory: 24GB - 20GB GDDR6 at 880Gb/s - 4GB DDR4 reserved for OS
2tb HDD""

https://forum.beyond3d.com/threads/next-generation-hardware-speculation-with-a-technical-spin-2019.61027/page-34#post-2058510

Holy crap this is exactly the "option3" I put in the Poll...guys I really can't wait for an official announcement !

The leak makes sense, but I don't believe rumors.

TranceformerFX said:
DonFerrari said:

the bad colors is totally fault of the developers. The systems are totally compatible with HDR (at least I know PS4 even base is) with small extra cost on processing.

And I would really be displeased if they put half their RAM for OS. For me I would have 0 issue with they using the 16GB for gaming and no OS at all =p ... but since we need to have OS so either 16GB for games and a 4GB for RAM (different memories and prices for what each needs), or 12+4 on a single type of RAM total 16GB.

Not a chance in hell. The base PS4 uses 4GB for it's OS & functionality and still has issues with certain features loading quickly/efficiently.

The PS4 also uses the other 3 (1 in reserve) for it's video games, so the PS5 using 8GB this time around will give developers a little over double RAM  to work with compared to the PS4.

Your notion that they need 16GB for development is really silly...

I didn't say THEY NEED, I said I would prefer they have it. With current 5-6GB of RAM for 1080 and going for 4k is basically expecting 4x bigger assets, so just doubling the RAM available to game seems little.

TranceformerFX said:
Intrinsic said:

I know this.... and I also know we are already past that point. 

 

I think you are in fr a big surprise.

I can remember seeing KZ2, Uncharted and even Gears fr the firs time. I honestly couldn't imagine or fathom how much better games could look. 

Then recently I have played games like GOW, Horizon....etc and had my mind blown all over again. 

And remember..... those games are running on a 1.8TF GPU and with 5GB of RAM. 

The real mind blowing part f all this is; you see those 10TF, 12TF, 14TF GPUs on the market now? They are all currently running games designed fr significantly weaker hardware. When next gen comes along you will see a night and day difference. Around the corner of every new gen there are always those like you that think the jump will not be that much. 

I think its just a lack of imagination.  

Developers said the same thing about HDR, and so far it's been underwhelming... I'm not saying that models and textures can't get better - I'm saying that the differences won't be as significant. It won't be like looking at a character model from PS2 era to a character model from PS4 era.

And I'm hoping you speak for yourself - because I never considered PS3 (KZ2) the end all be all of benchmarks in terms of character models.

KZ2 characters didn't look like real people - Aloy from Horizon Zero Dawn however, does. Like, she straight up looks like a real person. From her eyes, manurisms, hair... Shit she even has freckles.

Nah, I'm not in for a big surprise for PS5.

If you don't have a HDR TV you really won't see any HDR. And HDR is just to have better colors, and I can tell you I have seem some great color schemes on some games.

Nothing will surprise me as most as going from Mega Drive to FF IX. I really thought it couldn't look better and they looked like people on the CG. But don't worry even though you won't get wowed as before, they will still keep improving severely.

Look at CGI thread on next gen graphic, it is mindblowing.



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http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

JamesGarret on 12 February 2019
Nate4Drake said:
Leak from a member at Beyond3d; same happened when first specs of WiiU were leaked.

""PS5 dev kits in the wild and i've some good news for you
System will be revealed close to E3 2019 in Sony's Special event with some mind-blowing tech demos and a few megatons and a release date for Q1-Q2 2020! The Last of Us Part 2's motion matching in 4K 60fps is a joy to watch!
Specifications:
CPU: 8Core/16Threads at 3.2Ghz (boost) Zen2 (this is the biggest improvement we've ever seen CPU-wise, even bigger than PS2 to PS3)
GPU: Fully NAVI-Based GPU with some AMD's next generation arch features at 12.6tf to 14.2tf (GPU clock still undecided)
Memory: 24GB - 20GB GDDR6 at 880Gb/s - 4GB DDR4 reserved for OS
2tb HDD""

https://forum.beyond3d.com/threads/next-generation-hardware-speculation-with-a-technical-spin-2019.61027/page-34#post-2058510

Holy crap this is exactly the "option3" I put in the Poll...guys I really can't wait for an official announcement !

Revealed in a few months?...I really want it to be true but I keep thinking they´ll do things the way they did in 2013...if you remember they had a conference in February that year where they revealed the Dualshock 4, showed a tech demo of Killzone SF and talked about the technical capabilities of the PS4, but only showed the actual system and announced price and more details at E3, then released the system in November....maybe something along those lines starting early next year?



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Trumpstyle on 12 February 2019
Intrinsic said:
Trumpstyle said:

It's fake, you can't do 880GB/s of memory bandwidth (or you can but not in a cost-effective way). The TF number is also likely to high.

Not that I believe in ay of these rumors.... but you are wrong.

using 11 2GB GDDR6 20Gbs chips in a 352 bit bus gives you exactly 880GB/s of bandwidth. And if they really plan on attaching a 4GB pool of LPDDR4 ram for the OS then they will need some GDDR6 over head for the GPU t use reserved for the OS which means that of the 22GB available 2GB will be reserved for the OS making the OS have a total of 6GB of RAM.

Now question is that is such a convoluted approach more cost effective than just put 24GB f RAM and even using slower and cheaper 16GBs/18Gbs chips while still hitting around 760-800GB/s of bandwidth?

As for the TF number.... 14TF yes is too high but i expect around 12TF.

Dude 20 Gbps pins don't exist, they might be available sometime 2020 but not now, even 18Gbps don't exist (even if samsung claims they have it) and I don't even think 16Gbps pins are available but will probably be sometime this year.

But I think Sony and Microsoft will go for either 12Gbps pins or 14Gbps pins for better costs.



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DonFerrari on 12 February 2019
JamesGarret said:
Nate4Drake said:
Leak from a member at Beyond3d; same happened when first specs of WiiU were leaked.

""PS5 dev kits in the wild and i've some good news for you
System will be revealed close to E3 2019 in Sony's Special event with some mind-blowing tech demos and a few megatons and a release date for Q1-Q2 2020! The Last of Us Part 2's motion matching in 4K 60fps is a joy to watch!
Specifications:
CPU: 8Core/16Threads at 3.2Ghz (boost) Zen2 (this is the biggest improvement we've ever seen CPU-wise, even bigger than PS2 to PS3)
GPU: Fully NAVI-Based GPU with some AMD's next generation arch features at 12.6tf to 14.2tf (GPU clock still undecided)
Memory: 24GB - 20GB GDDR6 at 880Gb/s - 4GB DDR4 reserved for OS
2tb HDD""

https://forum.beyond3d.com/threads/next-generation-hardware-speculation-with-a-technical-spin-2019.61027/page-34#post-2058510

Holy crap this is exactly the "option3" I put in the Poll...guys I really can't wait for an official announcement !

Revealed in a few months?...I really want it to be true but I keep thinking they´ll do things the way they did in 2013...if you remember they had a conference in February that year where they revealed the Dualshock 4, showed a tech demo of Killzone SF and talked about the technical capabilities of the PS4, but only showed the actual system and announced price and more details at E3, then released the system in November....maybe something along those lines starting early next year?

It is either this or they'll make all reveal in E3 2020 and launch November...

If they were to show PS5 at a special event near 2019 E3 then they wouldn't leave E3 this year and cancel their PSX.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Intrinsic on 12 February 2019
DonFerrari said:
JamesGarret said:

Revealed in a few months?...I really want it to be true but I keep thinking they´ll do things the way they did in 2013...if you remember they had a conference in February that year where they revealed the Dualshock 4, showed a tech demo of Killzone SF and talked about the technical capabilities of the PS4, but only showed the actual system and announced price and more details at E3, then released the system in November....maybe something along those lines starting early next year?

It is either this or they'll make all reveal in E3 2020 and launch November...

If they were to show PS5 at a special event near 2019 E3 then they wouldn't leave E3 this year and cancel their PSX.

Or they could do a september 2019 reveal at a september PSX event and release the console 6 months later in march 2020.

No rule that says PSX must be in december or even in one country. 



Nate4Drake on 12 February 2019
JamesGarret said:
Nate4Drake said:
Leak from a member at Beyond3d; same happened when first specs of WiiU were leaked.

""PS5 dev kits in the wild and i've some good news for you
System will be revealed close to E3 2019 in Sony's Special event with some mind-blowing tech demos and a few megatons and a release date for Q1-Q2 2020! The Last of Us Part 2's motion matching in 4K 60fps is a joy to watch!
Specifications:
CPU: 8Core/16Threads at 3.2Ghz (boost) Zen2 (this is the biggest improvement we've ever seen CPU-wise, even bigger than PS2 to PS3)
GPU: Fully NAVI-Based GPU with some AMD's next generation arch features at 12.6tf to 14.2tf (GPU clock still undecided)
Memory: 24GB - 20GB GDDR6 at 880Gb/s - 4GB DDR4 reserved for OS
2tb HDD""

https://forum.beyond3d.com/threads/next-generation-hardware-speculation-with-a-technical-spin-2019.61027/page-34#post-2058510

Holy crap this is exactly the "option3" I put in the Poll...guys I really can't wait for an official announcement !

Revealed in a few months?...I really want it to be true but I keep thinking they´ll do things the way they did in 2013...if you remember they had a conference in February that year where they revealed the Dualshock 4, showed a tech demo of Killzone SF and talked about the technical capabilities of the PS4, but only showed the actual system and announced price and more details at E3, then released the system in November....maybe something along those lines starting early next year?

Yep; PS5 will be revealed soon :D     and some very interesting words from Shawn Layden, SIE Worldwide Studios chairman and former SIE president and CEO.

""Sony’s decision to drop out of the long-running E3 trade show this year was a result of the event’s loss of “impact” in recent years, SIE Worldwide Studios chairman and former SIE president and CEO Shawn Layden told CNET...

“Now we have an event in February called Destination PlayStation, where we bring all retailers and third-party partners to come hear the story for the year. They’re making purchasing discussions in February. June, now, is just too late to have a Christmas holiday discussion with retailers. So retail has really dropped off. And journalists now, with the internet and the fact that 24/7 there is game news, it’s lost its impact around that.”

“As the industry evolves, Sony Interactive Entertainment continues to look for inventive opportunities to engage the community,” Sony told Variety at the time. “PlayStation fans mean the world to us and we always want to innovate, think differently and experiment with new ways to delight gamers. As a result, we have decided not to participate in E3 in 2019. We are exploring new and familiar ways to engage our community in 2019 and can’t wait to share our plans with you.”

https://variety.com/2019/gaming/news/playstation-shawn-layden-e3-sony-1203136387/

Sony Announce Big Executive Changes for PS5 Reveal; Promises Even Bigger PlayStation Exclusives!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6cNWfEvPNs



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NextGen_Gamer on 12 February 2019

I mean, hopefully someone intelligent at Sony looks at the current PS4 sales crushing it since its launch price of $399, and then looks at the beginning & cumulative sales of consoles that launched at $499 (read: Xbox One) and $599 (read; PS3) and realizes that those price points are simply too much.

Are they maybe okay for an elite system though? Perhaps but one would think Sony would wait on that 3 years into the PS5's life cycle for a new sales boost just like with PS4 Pro.