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Price, SKUs, specs ?

Only Base Model, $399, 9-10TF GPU, 16GB RAM 18 26.87%
 
Only Base Model, $449, 10-12TF GPU, 16GB RAM 10 14.93%
 
Only Base Model, $499, 12-14TF GPU, 24GB RAM 18 26.87%
 
Base Model $399 and PREMIUM $499 specs Ans3 10 14.93%
 
Base Mod $399 / PREM $549, >14TF 24GB RAM 5 7.46%
 
Base Mod $449 / PREM $599, the absolute Elite 6 8.96%
 
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CGI-Quality said:
I can't believe some of you think they'll just throw 1TB SSDs in these things, but then, some of you also expect 32GB consoles. :P Also, you can't call anything a 'bottleneck' without knowing the entirety of the technology that's going into the chassis.

Regardless, Pem and I have done our best, so there's not really much else to argue. We'll just wait for the first specs to start being revealed later this year.

not saying I believe they will put a 1TB SSD. I said it would be more beneficial to have 512MB-1GB of SSD than 4 TB of HDD as internal storage.



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Come on, guys. Mass market pricing will always be a priority. I'd be surprised if it costs more than $399.

The CPU, GPU and RAM will target two standards: 4K30 and 1080p60. This should be possible at that price point, end of next year.



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DonFerrari said:
BraLoD said:

599 would be too much of a jump, enough to put some considerably amount of people away.

499 in the other hand is the sweet spot nowdays, they can do the most and still stay in a price range people are proven to be comfortable with.

In my eyes there is no single reason for the PS5 to not make full use of this instead of sticking with 399.

They tried to juice more power for the same price with the Pro and it didn't work all that well as going for 499 did for MS's XBX.

Also, the way the PS4 was able to mantain most of its price like no PS did before and was still able to keep it selling for record numbers is very telling, people are paying more already, and there will be a decent gap between the Pro and the PS5 price, as it'll be a complete different level of performance and technological prowess.

499 is a given, 399 is for a future Slim model.

It is sweet spot based on anecdotes. X1 launched for 499 and after the first couple months it died out until the price cut and removal of peripheral. For a economy like USA 599 is little money, still the price to market that will have the sales starting high is 399 as proved through time. Would PS5 sell a lot at 499? Maybe, and only if Xbox is similar priced or much worse. And I doubt both. So if Sony put it at 499, they will have to cut price to fast, because only enthusiast will rush to buy it like that. They may enter another PS3 situation.

As much as we like to mock PS3 launching for 599, there was a 499 model as well, and it also had slow start.

XBO price point was bad because of what it packed.

It was pricer and less powerful than the direct competition because of a freaking pack in product nobody needed/wanted, plus all that DRM bullshit it pulled before launch. XBO had a damn lot of reasons to be ignored in favour of its direct competition.

As CGI doesn't want to, do you want to make a friendly bet over the price announcement then?

I say 499 you say 399, and we fix some small prank to the loser, like I making you use a LoD avatar for a month and you making me use one you want me to.

I'm very confident PS5 price will be higher than 399.



BraLoD said:
DonFerrari said:

It is sweet spot based on anecdotes. X1 launched for 499 and after the first couple months it died out until the price cut and removal of peripheral. For a economy like USA 599 is little money, still the price to market that will have the sales starting high is 399 as proved through time. Would PS5 sell a lot at 499? Maybe, and only if Xbox is similar priced or much worse. And I doubt both. So if Sony put it at 499, they will have to cut price to fast, because only enthusiast will rush to buy it like that. They may enter another PS3 situation.

As much as we like to mock PS3 launching for 599, there was a 499 model as well, and it also had slow start.

XBO price point was bad because of what it packed.

It was pricer and less powerful than the direct competition because of a freaking pack in product nobody needed/wanted, plus all that DRM bullshit it pulled before launch. XBO had a damn lot of reasons to be ignored in favour of its direct competition.

As CGI doesn't want to, do you want to make a friendly bet over the price announcement then?

I say 499 you say 399, and we fix some small prank to the loser, like I making you use a LoD avatar for a month and you making me use one you want me to.

I'm very confident PS5 price will be higher than 399.

  With PS4, Sony really wanted to go as easy and safe as possible, after some issues they had with PS3.  At this point, I would just secure the Playstation ecosystem, make PS5 backwards compatible, and make a powerful and balanced system, at a price in the $399-449$ range.   I'm not sure a higher price would be a clever move, unless they release 2 SKUs, so the BASE would cost $399-$449, and a Premium $499-$549, in order to "battle" with Anaconda, or even beat it.

 Off topic, about the amount of RAM, which seems to be an hot topic, I feel that Sony are not gonna be so stingy, as going from gen to gen, the increase of RAM was always very generous.  From PS3 to PS4 the increase was 16X : can we expect a 2X only from PS4 to PS5 ?   I myself said 16GB for a base model, but I wouldn't be surprised if Sony opt for more RAM in the end.

 



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Leak from a member at Beyond3d; same happened when first specs of WiiU were leaked.

""PS5 dev kits in the wild and i've some good news for you
System will be revealed close to E3 2019 in Sony's Special event with some mind-blowing tech demos and a few megatons and a release date for Q1-Q2 2020! The Last of Us Part 2's motion matching in 4K 60fps is a joy to watch!
Specifications:
CPU: 8Core/16Threads at 3.2Ghz (boost) Zen2 (this is the biggest improvement we've ever seen CPU-wise, even bigger than PS2 to PS3)
GPU: Fully NAVI-Based GPU with some AMD's next generation arch features at 12.6tf to 14.2tf (GPU clock still undecided)
Memory: 24GB - 20GB GDDR6 at 880Gb/s - 4GB DDR4 reserved for OS
2tb HDD""

https://forum.beyond3d.com/threads/next-generation-hardware-speculation-with-a-technical-spin-2019.61027/page-34#post-2058510

Holy crap this is exactly the "option3" I put in the Poll...guys I really can't wait for an official announcement !



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Nate4Drake said:
Leak from a member at Beyond3d; same happened when first specs of WiiU were leaked.

""PS5 dev kits in the wild and i've some good news for you
System will be revealed close to E3 2019 in Sony's Special event with some mind-blowing tech demos and a few megatons and a release date for Q1-Q2 2020! The Last of Us Part 2's motion matching in 4K 60fps is a joy to watch!
Specifications:
CPU: 8Core/16Threads at 3.2Ghz (boost) Zen2 (this is the biggest improvement we've ever seen CPU-wise, even bigger than PS2 to PS3)
GPU: Fully NAVI-Based GPU with some AMD's next generation arch features at 12.6tf to 14.2tf (GPU clock still undecided)
Memory: 24GB - 20GB GDDR6 at 880Gb/s - 4GB DDR4 reserved for OS
2tb HDD""

https://forum.beyond3d.com/threads/next-generation-hardware-speculation-with-a-technical-spin-2019.61027/page-34#post-2058510

Holy crap this is exactly the "option3" I put in the Poll...guys I really can't wait for an official announcement !

Outside of the memory (which I suspect will be 20GB total with 4 of LPDDR4 reserved for the OS ~ this is a big deal), I believe most of that (and as I noted: at least a 2TB HDD [not an SSD], Zen 2, Navi, 8-core proc @ around 3GHz). Should be a comfy fit for $399 as well. Not sure about that release date, but the timing of the purported revelation makes sense and would explain their plans to skip E3.



                                                                                                                                            

DonFerrari said:
TranceformerFX said:

Yeah. I'm betting 8GB will be dedicated for video games, and the other 8GB will be dedicated to the Operating System/Console features. Which will be great news for developers and users alike.

I'm also hoping that the PS5 controllers support USB-C ports/quick charging, external hard drive support right out the gate, and consistent "true" HDR output to ALL compatible TV's. (none of that boosted contrast or washed out flat colors bullshit)

the bad colors is totally fault of the developers. The systems are totally compatible with HDR (at least I know PS4 even base is) with small extra cost on processing.

And I would really be displeased if they put half their RAM for OS. For me I would have 0 issue with they using the 16GB for gaming and no OS at all =p ... but since we need to have OS so either 16GB for games and a 4GB for RAM (different memories and prices for what each needs), or 12+4 on a single type of RAM total 16GB.

Not a chance in hell. The base PS4 uses 4GB for it's OS & functionality and still has issues with certain features loading quickly/efficiently.

The PS4 also uses the other 3 (1 in reserve) for it's video games, so the PS5 using 8GB this time around will give developers a little over double RAM  to work with compared to the PS4.

Your notion that they need 16GB for development is really silly...



thismeintiel said:
Otter said:

Ace Combat 7 runs at 1080p on the Xbox One X and there are plenty of Xbox One X games with the exact same pixel count as Pro...It doesn't matter the power of the platform if developers don't want to  optimise or decide to optimise for things outside of resolution. 

I think Pro just needed to be a tad more balanced so we wouldn't see so games like No Mans Sky running slightly worse on the Pro version at 1440p vs the base system 108op. I don't think we've seen this yet with X1X

There was no need to do more with the Pro, though.  While MS has a completely different GPU in it, Sony took the GPU they already had and doubled it.  It allowed them to more than double the performance for a cheaper price, meaning they are most likely making more on the Pro than MS is making on the X.  Selling more of them, too. Remember, these are just mid-gen upgrades.  There job is really just to provide an option for early adopters who wanted a more powerful PS4/XBO, but will most likely move on to next gen much sooner than most.  So, they will be relevant for far less time than the OG systems, and sell a lot less. 

If the PS5 is B/C with the PS4, than the Pro pretty much becomes obsolete, as I'm sure it will offer the same upgrades and will probably be only $100 or so more than the Pro.  The OG PS4 will continue to sell to people with less disposable income, since it will be $200-$250 less than the PS5 and will still receive cross-gen games for the first year or two.  In other words, there wasn't really any reason too spend so much money on R&D and the chipset, if it was just going to sell to a small subset of people for 3-4 years.  MS only did so to have the crown of most powerful system, which really didn't improve their position.

CGI-Quality said:

A 4TB HDD will be nothing to implement (we're talking cheap things here). If it were a 4TB SSD, that would be different. We're also talking a bigger push for digital downloads, prompting larger HDDs.

No, there will not be 32GB consoles next gen, especially not of G6. Out of the question.

And no, $499 will not be the base price. It'll be $399 as I noted, with higher prices for a potential premium model. Aiming for affordability will take precedence over premium features, especially at launch.

I agree with your prediction of 16GB, not 32GB, and Sony aiming for $399.  However, I see very little chance of them putting in a 4TB HDD.  Sony is going to be spending a bunch of money on the other internals (Zen+/2, new Navi tech, 16 GDDR6 + (possibly) 4 GB DDR4 for the OS, maybe better cooling solution), I think they are going to try cutting costs where they can.  I think 2TB is more likely.  Hell, I wouldn't be surprised to see them try to get away with just 1TB, at least in the beginning.

I think the one place they would skimp especially at the start would be the HDD.  It can always be upgraded either by the user or by them when the system parts become cheaper down the road.  You can always delete games and install others.  It's one thing that doesn't give them an edge in power and very few people will call a deal breaker so it makes the most sense to skimp there.  I only ask that they make it easy to swap out so those of us that want more room can throw something UUUUUGE in there.



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CGI-Quality said:
Nate4Drake said:
Leak from a member at Beyond3d; same happened when first specs of WiiU were leaked.

""PS5 dev kits in the wild and i've some good news for you
System will be revealed close to E3 2019 in Sony's Special event with some mind-blowing tech demos and a few megatons and a release date for Q1-Q2 2020! The Last of Us Part 2's motion matching in 4K 60fps is a joy to watch!
Specifications:
CPU: 8Core/16Threads at 3.2Ghz (boost) Zen2 (this is the biggest improvement we've ever seen CPU-wise, even bigger than PS2 to PS3)
GPU: Fully NAVI-Based GPU with some AMD's next generation arch features at 12.6tf to 14.2tf (GPU clock still undecided)
Memory: 24GB - 20GB GDDR6 at 880Gb/s - 4GB DDR4 reserved for OS
2tb HDD""

https://forum.beyond3d.com/threads/next-generation-hardware-speculation-with-a-technical-spin-2019.61027/page-34#post-2058510

Holy crap this is exactly the "option3" I put in the Poll...guys I really can't wait for an official announcement !

Outside of the memory (which I suspect will be 20GB total with 4 of LPDDR4 reserved for the OS ~ this is a big deal), I believe most of that (and as I noted: at least a 2TB HDD [not an SSD], Zen 2, Navi, 8-core proc @ around 3GHz). Should be a comfy fit for $399 as well. Not sure about that release date, but the timing of the purported revelation makes sense and would explain their plans to skip E3.

   I was thinking the same, that release date...maybe in Japan only ?  Anyway, I would be more than happy with these kind of specs and a price around $399 !



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Nate4Drake said:
Leak from a member at Beyond3d; same happened when first specs of WiiU were leaked.

""PS5 dev kits in the wild and i've some good news for you
System will be revealed close to E3 2019 in Sony's Special event with some mind-blowing tech demos and a few megatons and a release date for Q1-Q2 2020! The Last of Us Part 2's motion matching in 4K 60fps is a joy to watch!
Specifications:
CPU: 8Core/16Threads at 3.2Ghz (boost) Zen2 (this is the biggest improvement we've ever seen CPU-wise, even bigger than PS2 to PS3)
GPU: Fully NAVI-Based GPU with some AMD's next generation arch features at 12.6tf to 14.2tf (GPU clock still undecided)
Memory: 24GB - 20GB GDDR6 at 880Gb/s - 4GB DDR4 reserved for OS
2tb HDD""

https://forum.beyond3d.com/threads/next-generation-hardware-speculation-with-a-technical-spin-2019.61027/page-34#post-2058510

Holy crap this is exactly the "option3" I put in the Poll...guys I really can't wait for an official announcement !

It's fake, you can't do 880GB/s of memory bandwidth (or you can but not in a cost-effective way). The TF number is also likely to high.



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