I said the price cut was an excuse, not that other people said it was an excuse. And I said this because Kerotan's comment says : "For it's age and price. If it was $199 now it would be doing great. " Which is true, but it can be said for the Switch as well. Both are arguably overdue for a price cut, so I don't see the reason to imply the PS4 needs one and leave it at that. It's not like the PS4 is the only console in this comparison which could use a cut. They are both doing very well considering the price they are at. 

Ironically I closed out of the tab right when you replied to me : P Here it is:

http://time.com/2848313/xbox-one-price-cut/

https://www.polygon.com/2015/10/8/9477625/ps4-price-drop-349-us

Sony cut the price of the PS4 by $50 like, almost exactly two years after their console launched (technically a month and two weeks before the 2nd anniversary). And the 3DS is infamous for having to have a steep price cut just like 6 months after launch. Which means that the Switch will probably go the longest without a price cut this generation. Though I do expect a Switch lite to be announced at $250 in a few months.

So you were kinda making a strawman?

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh

No?

Ironically I think you are interpreting stuff from my comment I didn't say. All I was saying is that both consoles are overdue for a cut. I didn't say kero said otherwise. I did however say it was an excuse, but thats mostly because it could be said about both of them. If its only said about one console it makes it sound like its doing great despite the constraints. When really both have the same constraint. It's called a clarification. Someone said something, I clarified something. Doesn't mean I was arguing against something someone didn't say. Just adding to what was already said. 

So you were kinda making a strawman?

It seems more like several other weeks when someone either complimented PS4 doing great on holidays (by not being that far behind and all) but someone needed to point out that Switch should be receiving props because it was selling incredible. When it was very much expected to do those great numbers, and praising one doesn't remove the other if don't praise it as well.

He and no one was giving excuses, they were stating a fact, for a 6 year with that price and so long without a cut PS4 is doing good. So your comment seemed like a strawman because no one was arguing anything regarding Switch or even using price as an excuse, it was just pointing out on what is expected and achieved.

It seems more like several other weeks when someone either complimented PS4 doing great on holidays (by not being that far behind and all) but someone needed to point out that Switch should be receiving props because it was selling incredible. When it was very much expected to do those great numbers, and praising one doesn't remove the other if don't praise it as well.

He and no one was giving excuses, they were stating a fact, for a 6 year with that price and so long without a cut PS4 is doing good. So your comment seemed like a strawman because no one was arguing anything regarding Switch or even using price as an excuse, it was just pointing out on what is expected and achieved.

I'm going to be straight up honest with you, I don't care if it's a "strawman" or not. Not because I don't care about my integrity, but because if it was it was completely unintentional. I hate how internet discourse has basically become people replying with what fallacy someone might have accidentally committed. It completely detracts from the point the person was making and focuses too much on stuff that doesn't even matter after it's already addressed. "Oh let me look at this book of fallacies, sorry bro you committed fallacy number #129, let me harp on that for the next three pages!" 

I mean I looked up the definition of straw man as a refresher and honestly it sounded like you were making one of my point, because I wasn't even acting like Kerotan said the exact opposite of what I said, I was just clarifying something he said. But it somehow got interpreted that way. Should I harp on about you making a straw man for 10 pages? No, because I don't care, lol. You probably didn't do it intentionally. 

To clarify something you often have to add onto a point things that weren't previously mentioned. It doesn't mean you think the person was saying the opposite of those things or arguing against them, it just means you're unpacking several points to clarify. 

And yeah I can get down with what you're saying, I don't think that people should be forced to repeat a similar point about multiple consoles just because that point exists. Your example is a good one, people shouldn't have to say that the Switch is doing well just because they said the PS4 was doing well. 

However, I do think that the obvious implication is that PS4 has a constraint that it's competitors don't. The price. Which is why I clarified that it wasn't true. And I interpreted it that way mainly because the comment said "it would be doing great". It would be doing great ... compared to ... ? It's competitors. That's the only comparison that can be made in this thread. And on that front, both are overdue for a price cut. Which is why that kind of hypothetical is a tad pointless. 

I admit excuse isn't a very good way to word it because Kerotan wasn't necessarily making an argument to soften the blow. It also wasn't a good word choice because people usually interpret excuse as meaning a defense that's unfounded or untrue. Which isn't necessarily the case with that word all the time, it can be true and still be an excuse. 

The hilarious thing is that I look at this chart and think the PS4 is doing great. Lol.

No problem and no need to discuss if you were or not, as you said it wasn't your intention and that is enough to me.

And yes both are on the brink of either having a price cut or sales level being lower than what they should be (they certainly are below what they could be with the cuts).

It really boggles my mind that they do this every year... So far it is on par with last year (which was pretty dull) with nothing of note in February. Kinda like last year's January.

I said the price cut was an excuse, not that other people said it was an excuse. And I said this because Kerotan's comment says : "For it's age and price. If it was $199 now it would be doing great. " Which is true, but it can be said for the Switch as well. Both are arguably overdue for a price cut, so I don't see the reason to imply the PS4 needs one and leave it at that. It's not like the PS4 is the only console in this comparison which could use a cut. They are both doing very well considering the price they are at. 

Ironically I closed out of the tab right when you replied to me : P Here it is:

http://time.com/2848313/xbox-one-price-cut/

https://www.polygon.com/2015/10/8/9477625/ps4-price-drop-349-us

Sony cut the price of the PS4 by $50 like, almost exactly two years after their console launched (technically a month and two weeks before the 2nd anniversary). And the 3DS is infamous for having to have a steep price cut just like 6 months after launch. Which means that the Switch will probably go the longest without a price cut this generation. Though I do expect a Switch lite to be announced at $250 in a few months.

Both are selling pretty well, Switch is even way up compared to last year and is even beating 2018 PS4 despite it's huge MHW boost early that year. Under these circumstances I don't see Nintendo dropping the price, the only thing I could see coming would be a console+game bundle for the 299$ pricetag, but no real pricedrop yet.

For the PS4, I'll wait for NPD for final judgement, to see if our numbers are correct, but after those disappointing December sales I'd say it's slowly getting time a pricecut. Don't expect more than 50$/€, though, PS4 sales are not crashing down like the Wii did in it's heyday