These who doubting the ps4 are mostly nintendo fans. They dont want to believe it can outsell the wii


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121-130 mils here.
Hell, not even the PS4 will finish at #2 place all-time, with the ridiculous 299 price tag and software, especially digital software sales, it is the biggest classic home-console money printer, maybe, of our lives.

You,perhaps, simply do not understand, or maybe even notice what is going on here.

Pessimism is fine, as long as its logical.  I mean, I highly doubt the 40% drops I put up will happen, at least not until 2021, but I guess anything is possible.  But, one of the comments I read said that 130M was impossible, with 110M being more realistic, but even that was unlikely.  So, the guy, in all of his wisdom, thought it would only hit 105M-108M.  Which would mean selling 10M for 2019 and part of 2020 before the PS5 came out and then sales just take a nose dive.  And not even 50% YOY nosedives, but like 80%.

I can definitely see that happening, especially if the PS5 doesn't hit until 2020.  This year, if the PS4 drops 15%-20%, it will end at 108.4M-109.2M.  If the PS5 comes in 2020, I could see that being only a 15%-20% drop, too, which would put the PS4 at 119.7-122M.  I don't see why a $199 PS4 couldn't sell another ~8M-10M after the PS5's launch, if the less popular PS3 was able to achieve ~7.5M after the PS4 launched.

Because that is unrealistic to the point of being a joke answear :)

Even the 100-110m one is really unlikely and very pessimistic.
So the question becomes,.. how much over 110m do you believe it ll be? 115? 120? 125? 130? 135? ect.

You read my mind ;)

 This is exactly why I said 130M+

I think PS4 will land somewhere in the range of 135 to 145 million.

The thing that has the market unsure is how Sony is going to transition to PS5. Right now things don't look good for Sony beyond PS4. They have not built an ecosystem around the PlayStation OS, which has lead to their Phone and TV divisions be hit extremely hard since the launch of PS4. They also have not put a lot of faith in a long supported ecosystem, with the lack of B/C, and the failure to deliver or even maintain even gaming related features over the last 2 years. Right now, many people have cold feet about investing, as it looks yet again like PS5 will be a hard reset, going up against Microsoft, Google, and Apple, that have established living ecosystems, that are backwards and forwards compatible.

Sony is going to have to blow people away with PS5 and PS5 Phone/Portable, if they have any hope of continuing to play a major role in the gaming and consumer electronics industry. It is a good time for profits at Sony, but anyone looking down the road sees that they have failed to capitalize on the success of the PS4, and the chances of lightening striking again are quite slim.

I think the 2 most likely choices are:
121M-130M
or
131M-140M

The pessimist will think it ll be just over 121m probably, while the optmist might think it can reach upwards of 140m (like say 139m)

I honestly think the PS4 has a shot at breaking 130m+ life time numbers.
I voted 131M-140M, but thats only because I think a late 2020 launch for PS5 is the most likely thing to happend.
I also suspect the PS4 will have decent ish legs, even after the PS5 launches. It wont lose sales as quickly as the PS3 did.

Basically my thinking too, I wouldnt say it cant happend, its just unlikely imo.

I say it ends around the 125-130 million mark.

The PS5 will not be that much a hard reset because CPU/GPU will be the same x86, I dont understand what do you mean by ecosystem or PS Phone, so, they have PS Now, PS Vue, next handheld or gaming phone or whatever is simply not happening. They will not produce a dozens of electronic stuff and call it PS Something, because this will simply ruin Playstation brand. I know you think that every year console revision, PS budget, PS Premium, PS Ultra Premium, and a lot of strange things are good, no they are not.

And the PS5 is rumored to have a BC.

And I dont see Google or Apple in console market.... at the end of horizon.

With the rumors of an XB low end streaming console plus a mid tier and high end traditional console (possibly discless), I wonder if people are contemplating whether PS will follow suit in some manner. Even if PS did a streaming box or mid tier console, one or the other, and a higher end model, it would probably impact PS4 sales enough that it would see a sharper decline than what we would expect now. This wouldn't be done in vain however, since it would help boost PS5 sales early on and transfer momentum over into next gen.

How many console customers this gen are mentally or digitally locked into the PS ecosystem is another question. Even if PS only launches a $399-$499 PS5 and doesn't deviate from the past, then how many existing customers would potentially jump ship to a cheaper XB streaming console or mid tier (1080p/60 ultra) model? If PS4 SS is down to $199 msrp, but there's a $149 XB streaming box, or $299 mid tier (XB1X ish specs) next gen box on the market, will the masses keep buying the PS product?

PS4 has been outselling XB1 even with higher prices and less bundling, but there's a lot more to it than just that. If XB can get itself back to it's 360 days next gen, will the PS4 be able to continue sales anywhere close to what the PS2 did later in it's life cycle? Not to mention if PS dares dip their toes in the Switch's blue ocean. If a new PS portable was tightly tied into the PS4 and/or PS5 ecosystem, but wasn't marketed as a PS4 device, that could also hamper PS4 sales this late in it's life cycle. With mid gen consoles entering the mix, plus hybrids, both selling well enough if not beyond expectations, the future doesn't seem to be as clearly predictable as it would be otherwise.