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Forums - PC Discussion - Metro dev says next game won't be on PC if players boycott. EDIT: Official Statement made

Wyrdness said:
think-man said:
I mean, the game is coming to PC anyway. If the Steam hardcore can't bite the bullet and buy it off another store, then that's their problem. At least they're free services to use, unlike when this happens in the television space.

As I highlighted earlier:

This is the actual context of using a different store you can't even play any game on ES offline for a start.

Its a brand new store .No shit you aint gona get as many fetures. Thats way they charge 20% less. Thouse fetures like for steam will slowly roll out.



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eva01beserk said:

Its a brand new store .No shit you aint gona get as many fetures. Thats way they charge 20% less. Thouse fetures like for steam will slowly roll out.

Maybe you didn't read the full thread we have some people here shouted about PC players being entitled because they're unhappy about the surprise exclusive move two weeks before launch well this chart highlights why a number of people would rather pay that extra $10 to have all those features. Your discount argument is also flimsy because in regions like the UK the is no discount at all and the game retains the same price as Steam so the consumers are offered nothing in those regions what so ever not to mention having no offline mode or refund policy in place which are bare basics.



CGI-Quality said:
eva01beserk said:
I think you guys are reading into things. Makes sense to me. If a game sells bad on a platform then it makes sense to drop the platform. It could be their fault sure. But thats not what the dev is discusing.

 What are they discussing, then?

Like i just said. I dont think the guy is shifting blame or anything. No matter who is to blame wich i do agree is the publisher. If a boycut happens and it underperforms then we might not see this in pc again. Like the other guy said. If its a point you are trying to make then wait for the steam release dont just boycut the game entirely. Its suporting the devs while still getting your point acros.

Edit: where this like the batlefielf V thibg where the EA exec said dont like it then dont buy it thing than yea. You definatly should feel insulted. I see what this guy said as almost begging. Like dont hurt us for what the publisher did.

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Wyrdness said:
eva01beserk said:

Its a brand new store .No shit you aint gona get as many fetures. Thats way they charge 20% less. Thouse fetures like for steam will slowly roll out.

Maybe you didn't read the full thread we have some people here shouted about PC players being entitled because they're unhappy about the surprise exclusive move two weeks before launch well this chart highlights why a number of people would rather pay that extra $10 to have all those features. Your discount argument is also flimsy because in regions like the UK the is no discount at all and the game retains the same price as Steam so the consumers are offered nothing in those regions what so ever not to mention having no offline mode or refund policy in place which are bare basics.

But what i quoted nor what i said had anything about entitlement. The people who bought on steam still got steam access. While im not sure about refund policies. There was a diferent chart than the one i quoted and that one did say that epic offered refunds. Why on earth would they not? Thats not a software thing.

No offline mode would suck ..specially for a singleplayer game. But again. Thouse features will slowly roll out. Steam also dint have them day one.

Diferent prices in diferent regions is not a new thing. Thats a definetly right reason to be upset.

Again if you dont like the new store and you would love to pay the $10 for the fetures makes sense. I agree 100% with you. But not having then and paying less is also acceptable by the publishers. They are saying this is not as good so we cant charge the same. Buying or not is still up to you. Wait or not wait for steam is still up to you. Its not the devs fault its mostly the publisher.



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They are defined by what you can get there, and only there in particular.



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eva01beserk said:
Wyrdness said:

Maybe you didn't read the full thread we have some people here shouted about PC players being entitled because they're unhappy about the surprise exclusive move two weeks before launch well this chart highlights why a number of people would rather pay that extra $10 to have all those features. Your discount argument is also flimsy because in regions like the UK the is no discount at all and the game retains the same price as Steam so the consumers are offered nothing in those regions what so ever not to mention having no offline mode or refund policy in place which are bare basics.

But what i quoted nor what i said had anything about entitlement. The people who bought on steam still got steam access. While im not sure about refund policies. There was a diferent chart than the one i quoted and that one did say that epic offered refunds. Why on earth would they not? Thats not a software thing.

No offline mode would suck ..specially for a singleplayer game. But again. Thouse features will slowly roll out. Steam also dint have them day one.

Diferent prices in diferent regions is not a new thing. Thats a definetly right reason to be upset.

Again if you dont like the new store and you would love to pay the $10 for the fetures makes sense. I agree 100% with you. But not having then and paying less is also acceptable by the publishers. They are saying this is not as good so we cant charge the same. Buying or not is still up to you. Wait or not wait for steam is still up to you. Its not the devs fault its mostly the publisher.

Look at the entire quote Think-man is harping on about biting the bullet to buy it on another store and I highlighted why a number of people have issues buying off another store plus only the people who bought digital got a steam copy people who bought physical will get a code for ES. Epic only just came up with a refund policy that's not even implemented yet they didn't even have one to begin with.

All other stores had offline mode to begin with even Steam allowed games to be played when it first launched ES just flat out doesn't saying features will be added is not a defence when it even impacts a game being played.

Different prices in different regions yeah too bad that was not what was being argued as you were banging on about a 20% discount and the point is that discount is not available to all consumers.

The publisher can make deals yes but when you make the deal 2 weeks before release then they come across as jackasses hence why other exclusives on ES have not had any backlash towards them as they announced the deals before the game went on sale the discount which isn't even available to everyone is not even from the publisher either it's from Epic so the former could care less which is a precedent that no one will let fly. This would be equivalent to KH3 being made exclusive to X1 two weeks before launch I guarantee the same people saying entitled here would change their tune in that case.



Wyrdness said:

The publisher can make deals yes but when you make the deal 2 weeks before release then they come across as jackasses hence why other exclusives on ES have not had any backlash towards them as they announced the deals before the game went on sale the discount which isn't even available to everyone is not even from the publisher either it's from Epic so the former could care less which is a precedent that no one will let fly. This would be equivalent to KH3 being made exclusive to X1 two weeks before launch I guarantee the same people saying entitled here would change their tune in that case.

No, the potential customers would need other hardware for that.

A better equivalent is: KH3 (or any other console game) was announced as retail version and could be pre-ordered for a while. Then two weeks before launch they ditch the retail version and make it digital only. And yes, that would piss many people off who are downplaying the Metro situation.



He didn't say it though. It is just a bad translation. What he said is that he believes that if nobody buys it on PC, then it would be hard to consider PC as a platform for the next game because of economical reasons. There wasn't any kind of threat at all.



 

If PC gamers don't buy enough copies to justify the cost of porting the game then why should they bring a potential metro 4 to PC? All you're doing is downloading a different store but people act like they're being forced to spend hundreds on an entirely different console. Are PC gamers really this petty? like imagine if they got screwed over like the people that bought Wii u or Vita ports expecting future support

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SecondWar said:
I think its more based on economics. If Metro Exodus sells poorly on the PC then he believes that it would mean Metro 4 (or whatever) is then less likely to have a PC version. The lost profit arguement you use only works if the game actually turns a profit on the platform. If a potential boycott causes a loss then that's what they have to go off.

Honestly, I really don't get the fuss about Metro not being on Steam. Epic will be creamed if they didn't invest in their store when they're up against a competitor as dominant as Steam. Microsoft did the same in the early days of the 360 to try to syphon off some of the PlayStation base.

I don't want to have to use use yet another Launcher, especially not one with very dubious privacy and lacking in features to boot. And I'm by far not the only one with that feeling.

Honestly, if Epic wants to compete, they should do so by offering more and better features and deals compared to Steam, and not by trying to buy exclusivity, as that will only drive them away. Just see how "well" Windows store is faring, I know many who opted to buy an XBO just to avoid having to use it.

I do understand that the statement is based on economics, but my god, it would have sold well for sure (the previous ones did at least) without pulling out of Steam.But with that stunt, I'm not sure it can anymore. 3 of my friends played the previous games, but they will leave out this one out of spite for pulling out of steam at practically the last second.