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Wyrdness said:
RolStoppable said:
A general question: Isn't the whole exclusivity deal only a problem for PC gamers who've begun to view the PC like a console?

Different stores have different features:

Such deals forcefully remove the element of choice so even if one store gives the publisher $2 more the consumer may still be getting the short end of the stick even with a discount.

Your table is wrong for pirated (for whatever reason that was included in the first place). Also it is missing direct purchase from developer, as this is an option on PC, you don't have to go through shop.

In detail: achievements should be shared online achievements, as internal achievements in the game obviously work for every way you get the game. I assume many pirate sites also have reviews and forums. Mods can as easily pirated as the core game. Library sorting is something that probably also many pirate sites offer. Account sharing is obviously a joke, as pirates just can download the game for each member of their group (family, friends, whatever). Linux-support is also a thing for pirates, either the games support Linux natively or they are emulated, Wine (which is basically Steam is using) is open-source. Same with universal controller support, the tools are freely available. This image is so obviously wrong.

Don't get me wrong, I don't wanna advertise piracy, but I have a thing against factual wrong statements. Also it sets me off, that all is so focused on integrated shop systems. This is so wrong, because PC is the platform where you actually could leave all Stores and directly get your games from the devs. This is a big advantage over consoles, but seemingly people are more than willing to ignore it.



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Mnementh said:
Wyrdness said:

Different stores have different features:

Such deals forcefully remove the element of choice so even if one store gives the publisher $2 more the consumer may still be getting the short end of the stick even with a discount.

Your table is wrong for pirated (for whatever reason that was included in the first place). Also it is missing direct purchase from developer, as this is an option on PC, you don't have to go through shop.

In detail: achievements should be shared online achievements, as internal achievements in the game obviously work for every way you get the game. I assume many pirate sites also have reviews and forums. Mods can as easily pirated as the core game. Library sorting is something that probably also many pirate sites offer. Account sharing is obviously a joke, as pirates just can download the game for each member of their group (family, friends, whatever). Linux-support is also a thing for pirates, either the games support Linux natively or they are emulated, Wine (which is basically Steam is using) is open-source. Same with universal controller support, the tools are freely available. This image is so obviously wrong.

Don't get me wrong, I don't wanna advertise piracy, but I have a thing against factual wrong statements. Also it sets me off, that all is so focused on integrated shop systems. This is so wrong, because PC is the platform where you actually could leave all Stores and directly get your games from the devs. This is a big advantage over consoles, but seemingly people are more than willing to ignore it.

You missed the point. 

We are comparing stores and their current features. Pirated games don't have a store. And all the features that "could" be done via mods for pirated games are not done for every pirated game. 



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vivster said:
Pemalite said:

Battlefield 5 comes to mind.

I haven't really found any specific sales data. The only figures seem to compare its sales to Battlefield 1, which is one of the best received Battlefield games and the best selling. If years of being the most hated games company and supposed boycotts still cause a game to be sold in millions I doubt a supposed boycott of a semi popular game will do any damage.

In fact I believe this move will make the Epic games store a hell of a lot more popular and will create a serious alternative to Steam in the coming years.

Battlefield V this holiday sold way under expectations and Battlefront 2 last holiday the same. 

BF2 post launch support was delayed 6 months while they regrouped and now it seems we're getting much less then originally planned. Probably because it didn't sell well enough to justify it. 

 

I'm in a Battlefield clan with 47 members. Every single person bought BF3 and BF4 but after what happened with hard-line, battlefront and then the shitshow of a launch for BF2 only about 6 of us got it and that was a month later at half price. Battlefield V four bought it and there's 3 of us waiting until its $10 on sale. If they make the next Battlefield more modern and launch it properly with enough content and no bullshit you'll see a major jump in sales. 



DreadPirateRoberts said:
Pemalite said: 

No. Consumers are "mad" because they decided to vote with their wallets and not support said game on yet another digital distribution platform... And were essentially blackmailed/threatened over it... Rather than have the company simply listen to what consumers wanted.

Why couldn't they simply do a Day 1 release on all digital distribution platforms? It's the PC.

I mean, you literally agreed with me.  Some gamers are mad that the game isn't on Steam.  And I agree.  That's what this is about.  As for why they couldn't simply do a Day 1 release on all platforms: because that would guarantee that Steam gets the overwhelming majority of sales which would in turn undermine the devs' efforts to protest Valve's price gouging.  The game got moved from Steam (pre-existing pre-orders aside) because of Valve's behaviour.   

Read my post again.

Gamers are mad because of the bait and switch tactics.
Gamers are mad because of the threats.

Developers and Publishers are more than welcomed to use such tactics... But then my wallet will close... And they don't have a leg to stand on.

vivster said:
Pemalite said:

Battlefield 5 comes to mind.

I haven't really found any specific sales data. The only figures seem to compare its sales to Battlefield 1, which is one of the best received Battlefield games and the best selling. If years of being the most hated games company and supposed boycotts still cause a game to be sold in millions I doubt a supposed boycott of a semi popular game will do any damage.

In fact I believe this move will make the Epic games store a hell of a lot more popular and will create a serious alternative to Steam in the coming years.

Battlefront 2.



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I heard somewhere that Epic won’t have offline play or modding allowed on their platform at launch. Is this a true? If so, is it a “we’ll add these features later” kinda thing or are they closed off from a policy standpoint (meaning that they left it out on purpose)?



DrDoomz said:
I heard somewhere that Epic won’t have offline play or modding allowed on their platform at launch. Is this a true? If so, is it a “we’ll add these features later” kinda thing or are they closed off from a policy standpoint (meaning that they left it out on purpose)?

Haven't heard about that yet. If that is true, the idea seems to be awful. I need to play offline sometimes, the Internet is not the thing I can take with me anyway I go. And sure I'm not the only one. 

Do you remember where you have read that? Maybe, there's some more information?



freetimemedicine said:
DrDoomz said:
I heard somewhere that Epic won’t have offline play or modding allowed on their platform at launch. Is this a true? If so, is it a “we’ll add these features later” kinda thing or are they closed off from a policy standpoint (meaning that they left it out on purpose)?

Haven't heard about that yet. If that is true, the idea seems to be awful. I need to play offline sometimes, the Internet is not the thing I can take with me anyway I go. And sure I'm not the only one. 

Do you remember where you have read that? Maybe, there's some more information?

They very recently decided to patch in an offline mode into their client.


They still have a long way to go yet, so I'm not going to praise them for being late to the party feature wise. 



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