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GOWTLOZ said:

Metro games being review bombed on Steam shows the entitlement of PC gamers. Good games getting bad reviews just because the sequel is not on the same launcher. Jesus Christ. I'm a PC gamer and this is why I don't like associating myself with this community, not every PC gamer is like this but a lot of them are toxic, on top of PC master race group which is probably just as toxic. Digital Foundry is filled with PCMR types and the comments section is horrific. Console gamers can be bad too, but never to this extent. This is one instance where I just cannot get behind gamers and agree with the media calling them out for being toxic and entitled.

It's no different to the entitlement of console gamers for a physical version. If publishers decide to only offer a digital version (or a few GB of the game have to be downloaded), it is also "only a minor inconvenience", but many console gamers will give bad reviews, even if the game itself is great.

A part of the Xbox-, PlayStation- and Nintendo-community is just as toxic... to the same extent. I really see no difference.



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So Steam is the only store that can ever exist to game on PC?

It’s the end of the world when PC gamers need to move their wrist a little and click on a different app to get into a game?

Maybe, I don’t know... get a console and become a peasant? Since that’s how it works there.

Never understood this kind of outcry. Such anger for what amounts to a few different mouse clicks.

PC gamers? Maybe we should change that to Steam gamers.



Hynad said:

1. So Steam is the only store that can ever exist to game on PC?

2. It’s the end of the world when PC gamers need to move their wrist a little and click on a different app to get into a game?

3. Maybe, I don’t know... get a console and become a peasant? Since that’s how it works there.

4.Never understood this kind of outcry. Such anger for what amounts to a few different mouse clicks.

PC gamers? Maybe we should change that to Steam gamers.

1. Who said this? 

2. Do you even know what the reason for all of this is? 

3. How does it solve anything? 

4. Yes, you clearly missed the whole point. It has been elaborate countless times already what the main issue is. Just go throw some comment like the one of CGI for example. Maybe you understand what this "outcry" is all about. 

Edit: you can also watch this here to know what is going on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoJx2Q_dR6U

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GOWTLOZ said:
Metro Exodus going away from Steam has brought the worst from PC gamers. My view is based on comments of PC gamers on youtube videos from gaming news reporters on youtube such as YongYea and TheQuartering and more to Metro Exodus latest trailer itself as well as the news of previous Metro games being review bombed on Steam. I'm not talking about the entire PC community, but a chunk of them are doing this and they need to stop it.

Metro Exodus is available on a new store on PC which is free like other launchers. There are no additional costs to download Epic Games Store on PC and the game is essentally the same price as it was depending on region of course. The massive backlash to such a decision is in my view unprecedented because PC gamers already have several launchers installed. The popularity of Battle.net, Origins and Uplay on PC just tells publishers PC gamers do not mind multiple launchers if they are required for the games they want. Now suddenly its such a major issue to download another launcher, which a lot of people already have for Fortnite, because they don't want to buy games on different launchers? Is it worth missing a game just because its not on a launcher they like? While that is their call, calling for the boycott en masse for such minor inconvenience is apalling and shows entitlement.

These calls weren't civil about it. PC gamers have been saying nasty stuff about the game, comparing Deep Silver to the likes of EA and Activision when they wouldn't make a game like it and saying that they don't want this crappy game anymore, so they basically changed their tune and are calling the game crap when this same community was looking forward to it some weeks ago, much like a child does when he can't get something he wants. Except here its just a matter of using Epic Games Store to purchase it. There have been widespread calls to pirate the game on PC, these same people want more single player games but when one comes along with such love into its development they would not support it just because muh Steam. They wouldn't try it with a multiplayer game then wonder why third party publishers are after multiplayer and live services.

I've seen threats, possible harassment towards the developers for a minor inconvenience. I've seen people not wanting to support Epic just because they have a Chinese stockholder in the company and these people want to support Muricans. No wonder Americans have such a nasty image worldwide, American distributrors dominate the industry because the rest of the world aren't so nationalistic, if globally we took such a stance as these American nationalists a lot of American companies would go bankrupt. There is no need to be so uptight about which country you're benefitting, we can do it too but there is something called being considerate and rational.

Metro games being review bombed on Steam shows the entitlement of PC gamers. Good games getting bad reviews just because the sequel is not on the same launcher. Jesus Christ. I'm a PC gamer and this is why I don't like associating myself with this community, not every PC gamer is like this but a lot of them are toxic, on top of PC master race group which is probably just as toxic. Digital Foundry is filled with PCMR types and the comments section is horrific. Console gamers can be bad too, but never to this extent. This is one instance where I just cannot get behind gamers and agree with the media calling them out for being toxic and entitled.


❌ BANNED: (multiple reasons and violating the deal) ~ CGI

Why do people generalize to such ridiculous degrees?  Do they not realize how absurdly ignorant it looks?  You're not making the groups you've singled out look bad, you're making yourself look bad for thinking a tiny slice of a group represents everyone.  

I mean, yes, you're absolutely right, Americans are so nationalistic that Sony and Nintendo completely bombed there.  Honda, Nissan, and Toyota sold like 7 cars combined in the U.S. last year.  It's so very sad, really.  Good job figuring that out from a dozen or so posts online.  

And "PC gamers," a vast demographic, you've reduced down to the few representatives who actually give a rat's ass about the "master race" thing while pretending that there aren't just as many console gamers every bit as terrible.  How does someone even pretend that with a straight face when you have "console warz" taking place constantly?  

Is it really that hard to think that perhaps you shouldn't judge millions of fucking people based on Youtube comments and forums that attract the most hardcore segments?



Didn't EA / DICE basically say the same thing to gamers with Battlefield V... "If you don't like it, then don't buy it!" Turns out gamers listened!

This is really dumb on the developer's part because isn't Metro's biggest install base on the PC? You're gonna refuse to release the latest installment on the biggest platform simply because people were upset about your exclusive online retailer deal?



On 2/24/13, MB1025 said:
You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.

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Hynad said:

So Steam is the only store that can ever exist to game on PC?

It’s the end of the world when PC gamers need to move their wrist a little and click on a different app to get into a game?

Maybe, I don’t know... get a console and become a peasant? Since that’s how it works there.

Never understood this kind of outcry. Such anger for what amounts to a few different mouse clicks.

PC gamers? Maybe we should change that to Steam gamers.

If you actually read the thread, you wouldn't have these questions. It's less about Steam and more about the Epic Games store. Setting aside a general lack features, the biggest issues of all is the always online requirement and no refund policy. If I buy a game on Steam, GOG, or Origin and my internet goes down or I take my laptop out with me and don't have net access, I can still play my games. You can't do that on Epic Games Store.

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The number of people who want Steam to have a monopoly (or Netflix, to cite another example) , because it is convenient to them don't seem to realize that monopolies never benefit the customer.  And in the case of steam, developers and publishers are customers themselves.  And it sounds like an increasing number of them are tired of getting screwed by Steam.



I find much of this thread to be very frustrating.  So many people coming in with the attitude that ONLY ONE SIDE has any kind of point then trying to dismiss everything else.  From my vantage point, it just doesn't seem anywhere near that black and white.  

  • There ARE people who have a legitimate reason to be unhappy.  Steam and EGS are not equivalent.  EGS does not have some things that some people care about.  That automatically makes this whole situation a downgrade to them.  No, it does not matter if YOU don't see the value in those features, because you don't represent everyone.
  • There ARE people who don't have any real reason to care about the change from Steam to EGS beyond a bit of inconvenience.  I know I would gladly take a discount over that whole chart that's floating around (EXCEPT Offline Mode, which is actually a big deal).  However, that doesn't mean that someone who doesn't care should assume that NO ONE ELSE should care, either.  Likewise, people shouldn't downplay the annoyance of adding yet another launcher to a growing list of annoying launchers.  Annoying is annoying, and annoying does not become less annoying when you stack more annoying on top of annoying.
  • Yes, some people are being stupid and are embarrassing the gaming community.  Yes, this does happen pretty much constantly.  There is not a fan base that does not have multiple instances of certain fans being dumbasses.  Review bombing previous games, for example, is idiotic.  No, this doesn't mean that a small group of extremists being stupid makes everyone else wrong by default.  Concentrating on that aspect is a disservice to those with a genuine argument.

Personally, I don't care all that much.  Not enough to scream "BOYCOTT," certainly.  I'd rather people not boycott en masse, to be honest, but I have no problem with people making a fuss and kicking up a lot of sand or saying that certain issues are a dealbreaker for them personally.  It's the responsibility of the consumer to tell suppliers what they do not like.  That should never be forgotten.  Hopefully enough has been done already to make Deep Silver and others think about how to better handle such situations in the future.  That should be the real goal, not to punish Metro or make the developer go out of business (seriously, that's so fucked up and childish).

That being said, I do think it's important to challenge Steam.  Steam has done a lot right but they've also been lackluster in a lot of other areas because they know they can get away with it.  Of course, I'd rather see someone challenge Steam by improving on what they do rather than just copying their formula, but cats weren't built in a day.  It has to start somewhere. 

Still, this situation is a good example of how not to challenge Steam--annoying and/or pissing off consumers is not the most clever way to increase your installed base.  



If you don't think that the Epic Game Store issue is a big deal, even with all the issues mentioned, then that's fine. I mean, a lot of these comments come off as if they are not even trying to keep an open-mind about possible problems in the matter, or as if they are ignoring the multiple comments which make it crystal clear why it's a big deal, but oh well. There have been a few gaming controversies that I've tried to understand and just couldn't, sometimes that's just how it is.

But what I don't get, is why the logical conclusion is to defend this deal. This deal locks a game to a specific platform, but not just a specific platform, a specific platform that a lot of people have a problem with. I thought we all agreed that more options are better for the consumer? I thought we all agreed that money-hatting exclusive wasn't good? I thought we all agreed, when the Xbox One came out, that missing key features like playing offline was an important problem to take note of?

I'm disappointed I don't see more comments along the lines of "I think this controversy is overblown, but ..." or "people are complaining too much, but ..." because a lot of the people who are defending the Epic Game Store aren't even defending it on the merits that it's good for anybody, just that they think people complain too much. They are complaining about people complaining, that's it. And that's just trying to minimize a situation and make fun of those who care about it, not trying to talk about the issue at hand. Credit to Flashfire, he was trying to make an actual point about the issue at hand and how a temporary sting would be good for the industry long-term.